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Old 04-13-2012, 10:47 AM   #16
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The plumber cabling out the sink drain from under the cabinet might appreciate that outlet being gfi protected

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The plumber cabling out the sink drain from under the cabinet might appreciate that outlet being gfi protected
His machine and cord should have gfci protection built in anyway!
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His machine and cord should have gfci protection built in anyway!
Most smaller machines drill motor/cable drum dont have gfi built into cord ,bigger machines usually do.
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The plumber cabling out the sink drain from under the cabinet might appreciate that outlet being gfi protected
WHY???
That receptacle is most likely switched, and the counter receptacles would most likely be GFI if he wants them. Besides, the counter receptacles are MUCH easier to get to.
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WHY???
That receptacle is most likely switched, and the counter receptacles would most likely be GFI if he wants them. Besides, the counter receptacles are MUCH easier to get to.
When youre flat on your back under a sink its a lot easier to use an outlet right there where youre working rather than trying to run it down over/around everything when youre in a cramped space.
Thats the great thing about a switched plug,you can unplug the disposal and plug in a snake and still have power.
So do you install a gfi in the top cabinet to plug a built in microwave into?
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Well Im looking at it from the point of view of somebody who has spent time under more sinks than hed like to remember over the years
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May want to go back and read what I posted, then go and read the NEC regarding Where they are and are not required in a Kitchen. I do believe that I covered that under the word "Counter tops". When have you seen a gfci outlet or protected outlet on a baseboard in a Kitchen?
Point taken and accepted.

But...could someone explain why your washer/dryer 120V recept would need to be GFI protected if it is within 6' of the sink, but if the fridge outlet is within 6', GFI protection is not needed?
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Point taken and accepted.

But...could someone explain why your washer/dryer 120V recept would need to be GFI protected if it is within 6' of the sink, but if the fridge outlet is within 6', GFI protection is not needed?
Because it is usually in a space that is unfinished (ie basement or garage), and/or also has a deep sink next to it.

Here is the 2011 NEC take on it:

(F) Laundry Areas. In dwelling units, at least one recep-
tacle outlet shall be installed for the laundry.

Exception No. 1: In a dwelling unit that is an apartment or
living area in a multifamily building where laundry facilities
are provided on the premises and are available to all build-
ing occupants, a laundry receptacle shall not be required.
Exception No. 2: In other than one-family dwellings where
laundry facilities are not to be installed or permitted, a
laundry receptacle shall not be required.

A laundry receptacle outlet(s) is supplied by a 20-ampere
branch circuit. This circuit can have no other outlets. See
210.11(C)(2) for further information.

Recognizing that sinks in kitchens are not the only location
where a ground-fault shock hazard exists, this requirement
covers all other sinks in a dwelling. This requirement does
not limit the GFCI requirement to only receptacles serving
countertop surfaces; rather, it covers all 125-volt, 15- and
20-ampere receptacles that are within 6 ft of any point along
the outside edge of the sink. Many appliances used in these
locations are ungrounded, and the presence of water and
grounded surfaces contributes to a hazardous environment.

As illustrated in Exhibit 210.14, any 125-volt, 15- and
20-ampere receptacle installed within 6 ft of a sink located
in other than a kitchen is required to be GFCI protected.

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