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Old 03-20-2008, 06:00 AM   #16
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Is there any advantage to wiring GFCI receptacles in series, as has been suggested in this thread, rather than utilizing a GFCI breaker in the panel?

Would one method offer better protection over the other?
Cost is also a factor. $15 for a recep, $40 for a breaker.

Especially if you are doing a whole house, the savings add up fast.

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Old 03-20-2008, 06:31 AM   #17
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if you wired the GFCI repectales with line -load connection it can work but it get really annoy to find which one tripped
Having said the above statement, why would you continue those GFCI recpt in series again?

Not to question anybody's installation, but I am trying to gather knowlegde, so when I ask a question, its only to better understand the reasoning for such a move.

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Old 03-20-2008, 08:18 AM   #18
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Having said the above statement, why would you continue those GFCI recpt in series again?

Not to question anybody's installation, but I am trying to gather knowlegde, so when I ask a question, its only to better understand the reasoning for such a move.

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Why, because that's probably what the homeowner wanted. I've done lots of stupid things to please the homeowner. As long as it's code compliant, give them what they want!
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Having said the above statement, why would you continue those GFCI recpt in series again?

Not to question anybody's installation, but I am trying to gather knowlegde, so when I ask a question, its only to better understand the reasoning for such a move.

This site is a big help!
A conscientious electrician will not move the GFCI receptacle too far from the immediate are it serves. This used to happen alot back in the day. You'd find the GFCI for the bathroom in the garage etc. The circuit probably shouldn't extend outside the room served.

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Having said the above statement, why would you continue those GFCI recpt in series again?
Usually the GFCI's would be wired in parallel on the circuit. Not using the load terminals. This would be done for convenience.
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Supposedly he is a master electrician.
He is neither. I love going to the big box stores and playing the part of a homeowner to ask those "experts" questions. It's a hoot hearing the answers. Just good clean fun while my wife shops.
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Supposedly he is a master electrician. I asked him this twice so I am sure this is what he said.
Did you ask yourself what is a Master Electrician doing working for Home Depot? Not exactly the pinnacle of success, wouldn't you say?
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Did you ask yourself what is a Master Electrician doing working for Home Depot? Not exactly the pinnacle of success, wouldn't you say?
Agree...

Even if retired, i's sure most guys with a masters licence would still do something OTHER than work at homers or lowes... in fact it seems that most electricians that i have come across will not even go to those places.
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A conscientious electrician will not move the GFCI receptacle too far from the immediate are it serves. This used to happen alot back in the day. You'd find the GFCI for the bathroom in the garage etc. The circuit probably shouldn't extend outside the room served.

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Back in the 80's the ONE required GFCI circuit served every location GFCI protection was needed. #14 awg was a lot cheaper than GFCI devices or breakers. (I think they were about 80 bucks for a GFCI duplex.) That's why the garage outlet got the GFCI device, which then went on to serve the outdoor receptacle and every bathroom outlet in the house.

At the time, GFCI protection was not yet required in kitchens.
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Agree...

Even if retired, i's sure most guys with a masters licence would still do something OTHER than work at homers or lowes... in fact it seems that most electricians that i have come across will not even go to those places.
And another Home Depot and Lowe's favorite of mine - is the stores "certifying" themselves as gurus and promoting that "standard" thet THEY set as if it meant something. IE: "Only Home Depot sells Home Depot Certified Grade AA lumber." Well freaking DUH! They "certify" 2x4's as "Home depot grade AA" even if it's still have leaves on it.
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I have never bought lumber form there, but have looked through the lumber before and I wasn't impressed.

I will only go there under a few conditions now...

-whatever I need DOESN'T have to be ordered
-I know EXACTLY what I need
-The local supply house or lumberyard DOESN'T have it and I need it now
-I have been stabbed and have lost approx 3-4 pints of blood and am feeling a bit woozy
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You can knock them all you want but HD is the place and the other Lowes that most homeowners will shop for electrical home projects. They know even less than the employees I would venture to say when it comes to the electrical department. How many times have you guys been in there watching homeowners fumble around with how a weather proof receptacle box goes together. Or hunting for the right conduit fittings. So on and so forth. I watched an employee try to bend a saddle in some emt for a lady one day that would have won 100,000 dollars for a funniest video. My point is.... surely we don't expect more. These are not professional houses. And you have to remember Homeowners get a lot of free advice from neighbors and family or friends about how they can do it themselves or are told to go get what I tell you and I'll show you how it's done. And we come across their work everyday. I have also seen the shoe on the other foot where a employee was correct about an electrical issue but a homeowner argued he was wrong. Sound a little familair to our trade at certain times?
As for professionals working there you might be surprised once and a while. My local lowes had a retired master plumber and that fellow (George) flat knew his pipes. He had crippling arthritis and moved like a snail but you got exactly what you needed and a free explanation on how to install it including all the "watchout fors". You may also be surprised how much commercial business they have out of the electrical and plumbing and roofing departments, drywall etc. You don't need someone to tell you what you need.... you just need the right price.... by that I mean a carlon blue zip is a carlon blue zip, 12/2g is 12/2g, a TMG1M200 CU is a.. well you get my point how you install those and the associated wiring is your responsibility not the stores. The process that brings the homeowner into these stores for an electrical project at home is already flawed before they walk into the door. If they are wanting advice then shame on them. The homeowner has no idea what that employees qualifications are whether they are talking to a master electrician or someone from the curtain department. You will notice that these stores carry a rather lengthy disclaimer in the company policy. Bottom line is they sell product they don't give advice they only pretend to.

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and if you hapen to get some free advice there, rest assured it will be worth what you paid for it.
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Stubbie and wire_twister, those are both great posts. Lots of wisdom there.
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