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Old 03-27-2008, 02:56 PM   #16
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Nice place 220. Great view. I am pretty lucky, I live in the country. 60 miles from the city. 1/2 mile from the nearest neighbor. In a nice oak woods.
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In all seriousness though, it does bring me to another question that some of you may be able to shed some light on. I have built a water supply system for hot and cold water based on a 12v pump, much like a motor home or camper. I am heating the water with a small LP tankless water heater installed inside a utility closet. I have also run some dedicated 12v circuits (completely seperate from the 120v) in case I someday decide to install a 12v ceiling fan, window fan or who knows what else. If i did this, I would likely eventually add a solar panel to maintain the battery(s).

How concerned should I be about having the battery(s) that will power the 12v system in the same utility closet as the standing pilot water heater? When I say closet, I'm talking about an enclosure that is completely open at the top and will have 48" wide screened doors for planty of air movement needed for the high deman of the tankless water heater.

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I suggest you also run some 12V lines for lights.
Right now,,, Use the generator to power a battery charger to charge your batteries that are NOT vented inside your house.
Then you have nice quiet lights.
12 Volt radio ECT.
Later you can buy the solar panels and the charge controller.
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They do make "sealed" batteries -maybe that is something you need to look into.
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Ahsadjhskj I love Northern AZ. Your getaways look nicer than our one/only house.
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I have a 12v native Tivoli radio, it uses about 3 watts. I also have a 12v native LCD TV. It uses 60. A lot less consumption than a 300 watt CRT. Lights you said "my lights are LP" (???????) Not sure what that means. But you could look into 12v LED bulbs also...

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Lights you said "my lights are LP" (???????) Not sure what that means. But you could look into 12v LED bulbs also...

LP light what it refericed to the Propane powered gas luminaire simuair to the coleman gas camping luminaire you see on campground and in thick neck of woods

i do have multi fuel lantern which i can burn almost any liquid fuel i can dish it but seems work the best with JP8 fuel [ jet fuel or med kenorsone ] but i can burn on diesel fuel but do it outside because it smell like soupped up BBQ grill with overfueled charcoal lighter

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LP (propane) wall sconces are very common in cabins around my area. They work very well. Lots of light, low to no odor, and very easy on the propane tank. I would go with those before I would 12 volt. Propane refrigerators work well also. The only problem is the propane television. Very hard to find.
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This is the http://www.britelyt.com/lanterns.htm gimzo i used all the time when i go camping and work in few other area the larger unit is plenty bright and somecase so bright it have same brighteness as 250 w reguair lightbulb.

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That's quite a nice place 220/221! The deck work is almost as pretty as the view!!!!

Our project is not quite as far along but it has been a lot of fun in the making. It's been a family project and everybody ahs been up to help. Jrclen, our shack is in Price County. With a access road of about 3/8th of a mile, when you hear a car it's because someone is pulling in to say hi.

I'm going with LP for lights, wood for heat. My 12v system is a long term project so for now I'm hauling a deep cycle battery back and forth just to run the pump. I have access to inexpensive tow motor batteries but I think in the long run I may be better off looking into sealed batteries if I put in a system that has any extra demands put on it. My goal is to have the generator when needed, but for the most part to keep things simple.

Thanks again for the help folks, I really appreciate it! It's also intersting to hear what other people have done with their projects and the ideas that come out as a result.
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This is the http://www.britelyt.com/lanterns.htm gimzo i used all the time when i go camping and work in few other area the larger unit is plenty bright and somecase so bright it have same brighteness as 250 w reguair lightbulb.

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That looks like a nice light Marc. I have a couple old Coleman white gas lanterns which I use for fishing. It might be time to replace one with one of these. I keep jugs of kerosene anyway for the torpedo heater.
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That looks like a nice light Marc. I have a couple old Coleman white gas lanterns which I use for fishing. It might be time to replace one with one of these. I keep jugs of kerosene anyway for the torpedo heater.
John

yeah they are nice but not really cheap to buy it but it worth the extra buck compared to white fart luminaires can dishout

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NGuy: I realize I am nearly a year late, but here's our situation. We live on a small island without grid power. We have a fairly well equipped and comfortable two storey cabin, I am in the process of finishing our "dream house" on the property.
Our electrical system consists of 8 64 watt solar panels, which go through a 40 amp Trace controller, then via a 3600 watt inverter to a 400 amp breaker panel, then to the battery bank, which is currently 8 Trojan T-105's. These are soon to be replaced as we have had them several years. Our generator is a Honda EU3000. We previously had a Honda 5000, but have found the 3000 more than adequate for our purposes.
Our electrical load includes a satellite TV system, 37" LCD TV, couple of radios, DVD player, lights everywhere - compact fluorescents - the oven is LP but requires that the igniter be running when the gas is running, a fridge/freezer, all the usual portable appliances, vacuum, microwave, blender, mixer and so on. In the new house, tons of lights, and every power tool known to mankind. This computer (iMac) plus a laptop, which is used plugged in. The batteries, lead acid, are in the small utility room, but are contained in an enclosed box which has two small vents directly to the outside.
The main power panel in the cabin has #8 wires running over to the new house to a sub panel. None of our breakers are over 15 amps. Unless you wish to run #12 wire in your walls, you shouldn't exceed 15 amp breakers. I expect you are all done now, but if you have any questions....
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No one picked up on this.. but you should not use an outlet to feed the panel, you should use an inlet.

If you use an outlet you are going to have to make a "male-male" cable which is very dangerous!


BTW - Coco it's considered bad etiquette to "necropost" on old threads.
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Sorry, I've only been a member of the site for a few days. Didn't know that.

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