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Old 04-16-2013, 06:01 AM   #16
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I agree with the others. Who ever came up with this plan has no clue what they are doing. Thinking outside the box is one thing, this guy is thinking inside a tin can.
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running that wire would be difficult because everything is drywalled.
Electricity done wrong kills people. Death is a lot more difficult than patching and painting drywall.

DO NOT SET IT UP THIS WAY.

Do it properly, install a manual transfer switch and run the wire to the panel properly. There's another reason for the transfer switch, and that's to ISOLATE your source of power from the grid. Otherwise the power your generator makes goes right back out to the utility lines. The poses a VERY serious risk to any lineman working on repairing whatever lead to the outage.

That and the generator is way too small to be effective. It probably wouldn't even handle the load of a refrigerator starting up; certainly not if anything else was on at the time.
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It is interesting how everyone is so opposed to this idea. My plan is to use a small generator to power just essential items in the event of a long power outage - such a space heater and a light or two. I do not want to power the house since it is all electric house, and would require a large generator and significant amounts of fuel. If I decide to power the fridge, it would only be for a short time with out anything else running at the time (or not power it at all because it really is not essential). The fridge is hard to power since it is a built in, so chances are it will never get powered by the generator.

What I am trying to do is have the "extension cord" idea - but have it built into the back wall of the house. I would label the outlets and the plug on the outside. It would not connect to the household power in any way.

Seems like a very simple idea - from a homeowners perspective - again, very interesting to hear the professional opposition to this idea.
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It is interesting how everyone is so opposed to this idea.
Because it's not a logical idea.
Using a select few existing circuits in your home, through a small transfer panel, will accomplish the SAME thing, with less work, bother and confusion.
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I get his idea. I would have the recepticales,receptacles,marked "Generator Only".
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It is interesting how everyone is so opposed to this idea. My plan is to use a small generator to power just essential items in the event of a long power outage - such a space heater and a light or two. I do not want to power the house since it is all electric house, and would require a large generator and significant amounts of fuel. If I decide to power the fridge, it would only be for a short time with out anything else running at the time (or not power it at all because it really is not essential). The fridge is hard to power since it is a built in, so chances are it will never get powered by the generator.

What I am trying to do is have the "extension cord" idea - but have it built into the back wall of the house. I would label the outlets and the plug on the outside. It would not connect to the household power in any way.

Seems like a very simple idea - from a homeowners perspective - again, very interesting to hear the professional opposition to this idea.
Just stop the nonsense and do it right. It's really not any harder than the crazy, half-assed stuff. Pulling ONE wire to the panel and setting up a transfer switch is the simple, safe and correct way to do it.
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Thanks - I know what a transfer switch is, and I know it is the "right" way - but believe me when I tell you it is not simple. It is a run of 40+ feet in a drywall enclosed ceiling through each joist - there is no alternative to this. My goal is to run a space heater in the winter if we have an extended power outage. I can use an extension cord through a cracked window, but with the sheathing removed at the back of the house I like the idea of running a dedicated wire. Safety does not seem to come into play with my idea - not sure why you think it poses a serious risk to the line man or anyone - since it is completely isolated by design.
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Thanks - I know what a transfer switch is, and I know it is the "right" way - but believe me when I tell you it is not simple. It is a run of 40+ feet in a drywall enclosed ceiling through each joist - there is no alternative to this. My goal is to run a space heater in the winter if we have an extended power outage. I can use an extension cord through a cracked window, but with the sheathing removed at the back of the house I like the idea of running a dedicated wire. Safety does not seem to come into play with my idea - not sure why you think it poses a serious risk to the line man or anyone - since it is completely isolated by design.

since we now now that you have 7500 watt gen .... and it has a 30 amp twist lock plug .... which is 10 wire and 30 amp breaker ...... the cords and the outlets are 12 or 14 wire ... there would be no protection for the wires in the wall ( properly anyway and be a code violation ) ....
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