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Old 11-01-2012, 08:37 PM   #1
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Full switched outlet to full hot.


Hi Guys, i hate to post another one of these, but I have searched and read many of the others about the same issue. But they all seem to have differing amounts of wires coming in to the box.

I believe in my case it was a switched outlet first and a past owner added the ceiling lights after.

I would like to have the outlet full hot. any help you can figure out from my drawing (no laughing) would be great.

Only one wire coming into the switch, and this mess is in the outlet box...
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:56 PM   #2
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Remove the white wire (from the lower right) from the cluster with two black wires (center right) and substitute a short length of black wire in that cluster. (This white wire is the hot feed to the switch.)

Remove the black wire going to the lower right from the receptacle (switched power coming back) and connect the other end of the new short black wire to that receptacle screw.

Label the now loose black and white wires going to the lower right as switch wires. Tape the ends separately and curl them up at the side of the box.

Alternate method (easier done now but harder for someone to understand years later): Leave the receptacle unchanged. In the switch box remove the two wires from the switch that controls the receptacle and connect those two wires to each other using a wire nut.

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Old 11-01-2012, 10:01 PM   #3
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Looks like you have more than 1 outlet switched?
You need to take the joint apart with the 2 black and 1 white wires, and jump directly onto the hot side of the plug from that joint. Eliminating the switch from the circuit.
Take the black wire coming from the bottom right of your diagram off the plug and cap it off. As well as the white wire you took out of the joint and cap it as well.
Edit: looks like someone got to it before me
If what i thought was another plug is actually your lights.. Then you should..

Take the 2 black wires off the plug shown in your diagram, connect them together, marette them. Then add a pigtail to the joint with the 2 black and 1 white and run it to the hot side of the plug, where you removed the 2 black wires

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Old 11-02-2012, 10:20 AM   #4
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try this
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Looks like you have more than 1 outlet switched?
I don't think so...this is most likely his current setup. Note the switch leg(black wire) from the switch only terminates at the top plug of the receptacle. I believe the bottom plug of the receptacle always has constant power...even though the poster did not state this
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After further thoughts...here is what I think is going on with the cables on the left of the posters original diagram. He left some pertinent information out. My diagram below assumes there is a separate switch for the lights and this light switch is in a location other than where the switch for the top half of the receptacle is.

If you have a meter, check the cable on the bottom left of your original diagram---the one that goes to the bottom half of the receptacle--- and see if you have constant power there
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What you say is possible. But is not common practice to bring a second constant power source to that outlet box when one already exists in it. I am confident the entire outlet is switched or the poster would likely not be bothered if half the plug had constant power.
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What you say is possible. But is not common practice to bring a second constant power source to that outlet box when one already exists in it. I am confident the entire outlet is switched or the poster would likely not be bothered if half the plug had constant power.
yeah...lack of information from the poster makes several scenarios possible
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I am confident the entire outlet is switched or the poster would likely not be bothered if half the plug had constant power.
Hey poster...are both plugs of the receptacle controlled by the switch? Or is the top plug switch controlled and the bottom constant hot??
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The title says "Full switched outlet to full hot." So I jumped to the conclusion that both halves were switch controlled and the tabs were not broken off.
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The title says "Full switched outlet to full hot." So I jumped to the conclusion that both halves were switch controlled and the tabs were not broken off.
I agree...that conclusion can be made from the title.
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OK, i'm home from work and the wife is doing a craft on the floor of our room, If I want to sleep in there tonight, i shouldn't shut the power off. ???

Yes, the switch controls the full receptacle and also the ceiling light.
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Alternate method (easier done now but harder for someone to understand years later): Leave the receptacle unchanged. In the switch box remove the two wires from the switch that controls the receptacle and connect those two wires to each other using a wire nut.
OK, this one is out, because all there is at the switch is the one (set) wire (Black, White and Ground)
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My best guess would be this,

One wire is from the switch.
One wire to the ceiling light.
One wire is power in.
One wire is power to the rest of the circuit.

I checked other outlets and they are not switched.
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Ok. Go with the second part of my first post

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