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neildawes 07-18-2010 07:12 AM

Frontier TM-619 Digital Timer connections
 
Hi,

I am having trouble getting my timer to operate my solar powered LED flood light. :(

The timer is a Frontier tm-619 12V timer with 5 connectors on the back. ( 1 - 5)
The wires connecting the battery compartment to the light unit are black (-) and white (+)

I think I have correctly programmed the timer but cann't get it to work. So I thought that I should check out my connections first.

My current connections are:

1. white battery wire (+)
2. black battery wire (-) and black wire from the led light
3. Bridging wire back to 1.
4.
5. white wire to the light

Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated, But in very simple terms please.:huh:

Cheers,
Neil

a7ecorsair 07-18-2010 07:50 AM

What are you using to power the timer - AC or DC?
Does the flood come on when the manual override is pressed?

neildawes 07-18-2010 09:38 AM

Hi,

Thankyou for your reply.:)

The timer is connected as described to the battery charged by the solar panel.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Solar-Flood-L.../330450183275?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Digital-Timer...-/330451823376?

In darkness the light does come on when directly connected to the battery, however, with the timer wired in the light does not work. The red indicator light on the timer lights up when the MANUAL button is pushed and set to ON or the AUTO position but not the flood light.:mad:

I hope this clarifies the problem.

Regards,
Neil

a7ecorsair 07-18-2010 11:05 PM

How many wires do you have coming out of the solar light going to the timer? You need three.

neildawes 07-19-2010 04:43 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Thankyou for your continued interest. The original wiring between the battery and LED light is just two wires.

I have attempted to attach a diagram of the original wiring and the set up of the included timer.


I'm just new here ??


I hope these help, I think they should work but . . . . ??
:huh:
Cheers,
Neil

a7ecorsair 07-19-2010 08:20 AM

Your diagram looks OK. With the timer switch in ON and the LED manual switch in ON the LED doesn't light, is this correct? LED lamps are polarity sensitive and will not produce light if the power to it is reversed. Are you sure about the polarity to the lamp?

neildawes 07-19-2010 08:54 AM

Hi,
:thumbsup:
The original white to white, black to black works a treat. That is what I still have via the switch connections. White live feed to 1 then 3 then through the switch to 5 and the lamp. Black to black at the common neutral. Polarity should be OK.

Some how the timer circiut is not working as it should.

When the MANUAL button is pushed to select the ON and also then the AUTO positions the red LED indicator on the LHS of the timer face comes on but not the flood light.

I have entered the time in 24hr notation which works correctly , I have entered the time for the 1.ON and 1.OFF times whilst the unit is in the OFF position and the ON setting but to no advantage.
The flood light does not operate when within the time slot in either the ON or AUTO setting.

Just left puzzled!!

If I was to test the timer with a multi meter I assume there should be a circuit between 3 & 4 but not 3 and 5 until the timer operates. IF there is NO circuit between 3 and 5 during a scheduled time then its not functioning correctly. Is this logic correct?? :huh:

Cheers,
Neil

Cheers,
Neil

a7ecorsair 07-19-2010 11:16 AM

You are confusing the issue. Step 1 is to determine if the LED Flood can be made to light when using the manual setting on both the timer and floodlight with the two connected as shown in your diagram. Nothing else matters right now.
Craig

neildawes 07-19-2010 05:09 PM

Ok here is what I have done:

When the MANUAL button is pushed to select the ON and also then the AUTO positions the red LED indicator on the LHS of the timer face comes on but not the flood light.

I have entered the time in 24hr notation which works correctly , I have entered the time for the 1.ON and 1.OFF times whilst the unit is in the OFF position and the ON setting but to no advantage.
The flood light does not operate when within the time slot in either the ON or AUTO setting.


What other steps should I take? There are instructions for two over ride options in the manual for the timer that are quite confusing. Should I keep trying to work out them or is the above OK?


nstructions:
http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/da...tschaltuhr.pdf

E. How to use OVERRIDE functions
2 is effective only under AUTO mode.
Temporary-Override –
Condition-1 ON
MANUAL
MANUAL
Condition-2 OFF
MANUAL
MANUAL
619-programming-modeTimer is designed Override
function, so as to widen its usage upon practicable
application. Override function when
Timer is running
Follow procedure below:
When Timer’s output status is “ ”
Pressing key, to move indicator from “ AUTO “
to “ OFF”, Timer output shall turn to “ OFF” status,
programs overrided.
Pressing again to switch Timer status
to “ AUTO “, Timer’s output shall continue maintaining “ OFF “.
Timer shall resume its automatic operation when next
program(event) calls for “ ON “. (With next opposite set point).
When Timer’s output status is “ ”
Pressing key, to move indicator from
“ AUTO “ to “ ON”, timer output shall turn to “ ON” status,
programs overrided.
Pressing again to switch Timer status to “ AUTO “,
Timer’s output shall continue maintaining “ ON “.
Timer shall resume its automatic operation when next
program(event) calls for “ OF “. (With next opposite set point)
Press and hold key and then
press key. There shall be a symbol
shows on left corner of LCD screen, to indicate this Override
in executing. When this Override is being
executed, the original programs will be stopped, and once every
10 to 120 minutes Timers shall automatically turn its output to
“ON” status. In practicable application which is applied to
home-use, this Override function also called Anti-Burglar Override.
Once again to press and hold key, and then press key
shall terminate this Override.


Thankyou kindly,
Neil

a7ecorsair 07-19-2010 06:13 PM

Ok, so it doesn't work in manual. You will need a multimeter to troubleshoot. If you have one, clip the black lead to 2 and the red to 1 and try to activate the flood. Let me know what the DC voltage is and if it is + or -. I want to know if the battery is strong enough to run both the timer and the flood.
If you read 12 VDC then move the red lead to 5 and see what you have for voltage. If you don't read any voltage on 5, check pin 4. If you don't have voltage on 4 check 3. Give me an update.

Mike2401 07-19-2010 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neildawes (Post 471247)
Hi,

I am having trouble getting my timer to operate my solar powered LED flood light. :(

The timer is a Frontier tm-619 12V timer with 5 connectors on the back. ( 1 - 5)
The wires connecting the battery compartment to the light unit are black (-) and white (+)

I think I have correctly programmed the timer but cann't get it to work. So I thought that I should check out my connections first.

My current connections are:

1. white battery wire (+)
2. black battery wire (-) and black wire from the led light
3. Bridging wire back to 1.
4.
5. white wire to the light

Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated, But in very simple terms please.:huh:

Cheers,
Neil


Does your LED Flood Light have a photocell? If so tape it and try again.

Regards,

neildawes 07-20-2010 04:19 AM

Hi Mike,
Yes it does, and I am only working on it at night with the panel turned face down on the desk. This should simulate night time. It works this way when directly connected just not through the timer.

I Haven't tried the multimeter yet.

Cheers,
Neil

neildawes 07-20-2010 04:34 AM

HI, More random ideas.

I tried bridging a few of the terminals on the timer. Here are the results, perhaps they might mean something ?? to some one:

1. Manual switch set to ON
1-3 bridged Light works
1-4 bridged Light works
3-4 bridged Nothing
3-5 bridged Light works

MANUAL switch set to OFF
1-3 bridged Light works
1-4 bridged Light works
3-4 bridged Nothing
3-5 bridged Light works

In other words no difference !

This was when the 1.ON and 1.OFF was set well away from the current time. Then again when the 1.ON and 1.OFF settings were either side of the current time (ie. the timer should have activated) NO DIFFERENCE in the result. :whistling2::mad::wink:

Getting really lost here.

Cheers,
Neil

neildawes 07-20-2010 04:57 AM

OK, some multimeter test results.

1) Timer set either side of current time: Timer should be active.

REd lead to 1. black to 2. - battery output + 6.17V

3 - 2 0.00V
4 - 2 0.00V
5 - 2 6.17V
3 -5 1.62V
this was with the MANUAL set to ON and the LED on the front panel ON.


Red lead to 1., Black to 2. - battery out put +6.30V

3 -2 0.00V
4 -2 0.00V
5 -2 6.30V
3 -5 1.74V
this was with the MANUAL set to OFF and the LED on the front panel OFF.

2) Timer set so it is outside of current time, ie Timer should be OFF
NO DIFFERENCE to any of the above values in either MANUAL setting


There ! lots of information to make something of, Icann't !!

Cheers,
Neil:thumbsup:

a7ecorsair 07-20-2010 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neildawes (Post 472234)
OK, some multimeter test results.

1) Timer set either side of current time: Timer should be active.

REd lead to 1. black to 2. - battery output + 6.17V

3 - 2 0.00V
4 - 2 0.00V
5 - 2 6.17V
3 -5 1.62V
this was with the MANUAL set to ON and the LED on the front panel ON.


Red lead to 1., Black to 2. - battery out put +6.30V

3 -2 0.00V
4 -2 0.00V
5 -2 6.30V
3 -5 1.74V
this was with the MANUAL set to OFF and the LED on the front panel OFF.

2) Timer set so it is outside of current time, ie Timer should be OFF
NO DIFFERENCE to any of the above values in either MANUAL setting


There ! lots of information to make something of, Icann't !!

Cheers,
Neil:thumbsup:

The timer requires 12 VDC to operate and your meter reading is telling us you only have 6 VDC. You do not have enough power to activate the relay that is inside the timer. The Floodlight product description doesn't tell us the battery voltage either. This is what I started to suspect when I added Post #10
Easy to install with all mounting hardware included. 28 Super Bright White LED's provide great lighting.
Quality solar panel with 4amp hour lead acid battery and on/off switch.


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