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Old 05-08-2010, 03:43 PM   #1
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I have four wire electrical in my home - red, black, white and copper (ground).

I was not paying attention when I removed the current light fixture that was installed - except I do know that the black wire was not being used. It wasnt even stripped. The light installed was just a basic light. The wires it has are: white, black, copper, and then a white and black that are attached together.

That being said, I have two switches in which I was told when we moved in was ceiling fan-ready. So we bought one and I have it installed. I do not care for the way the switches operate the ceiling fan.

The primary switch closest to the door used to operate the old light. Now, the second switch operates the light AND fan and the primary switch (thats just what I am going to reference it as) does not control anything. I'd like the primary switch to operate the light and the secondary to operate the fan speed.

Is this possible?

The ceiling fan has white, blue, black and green wires. I have just capped the red wire and tucked it. Did I mess something up? Thank you.

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Yes its possible. Your ceiling fan should have a blue, black and white wires.
The blue normally goes to the light kit and the black goes to the fan.
Figure which wire goes to which switch then connect the appropriate one to the blue you want to control the light and the other to the fan.

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Which would it be in this case? I do not know wiring very well... I merely did what the manual told me to do.
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If I'm reading your first post right, Tie the red to the blue , keep the black to the black, white to white and you should be set.

P.S. make sure the greens are tied to the bare (ground).
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If I'm reading your first post right, Tie the red to the blue , keep the black to the black, white to white and you should be set.

P.S. make sure the greens are tied to the bare (ground).
Hold on before you connect like that! Sounds to me like the cable with the black/white/bare is the feed and you have cable with a black/red/white/bare going to the switch! That is why the black is tied to a white. The black tied to the white is the power to your switches and the red and black are the switchlegs coming back to control the fan/light.

If this is the case the fan should be connected as follows: Tie both bare wires together with the green from the fan, tie the fan blue wire to the lone red wire, the fan black wire to the lone black wire (NOT the black wire tied to the white wire) and the fan white to the lone white wire (NOT the white that is connected to the black). If there are more wires than I have described let us know before you connect!
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Hold on before you connect like that! Sounds to me like the cable with the black/white/bare is the feed and you have cable with a black/red/white/bare going to the switch! That is why the black is tied to a white. The black tied to the white is the power to your switches and the red and black are the switchlegs coming back to control the fan/light.

If this is the case the fan should be connected as follows: Tie both bare wires together with the green from the fan, tie the fan blue wire to the lone red wire, the fan black wire to the lone black wire (NOT the black wire tied to the white wire) and the fan white to the lone white wire (NOT the white that is connected to the black). If there are more wires than I have described let us know before you connect!
Hold on.
In the OP's first post he said the first switch used to control the light. Now it does not. He capped off the red therefore without seeing it , his statements indicate he has power coning to the switch box through a 2 wire black and white, the three wire is going from the switch box to the fan box. He never stated he changed anything in the switch box only at the light , So therefore in the light box he tied the black and blue wires from the fan to the black of the three-wire and capped off the red. So all he needs to do is put the red to the blue and it will work fine.

If this is not the case and they took the power to the light box you could be righ though. Thanks for catching my assumption.

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This appears to be what he has. Is this so OP?
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Or is this what you have?

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What made me think it is the way I described is that the OP says there is a black and a white together at the fan box! Now that I have reread the thread I think you and I told him the same thing. Your way is less confusing! I wanted to make sure he didn't mess with the black and white wire that are spliced together because your description says to "keep the black to the black, white to white".

Nice diagrams btw!

OP: Please clarify what wire you have at the fan box!
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Yes the diagram is what I have.

I apologize for not being the clearest to begin with - I was just trying to explain it the best I could without a diagram. So I appreciate you all helping me out. It is dark here now, so tomorrow I will put the red and blue wires together and see what happens. It does make sense now though. Thanks again.

The wires I have coming out of the ceiling are: red, white, bare, and black. I've got the bare with the greens for the ground... white is with white. Then the blue and black wires from the fan are with the black wire from the box. I apologize for the confusion with the white and black wires together - that is what the original light fixture had.

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Yes the diagram is what I have.

Which the first or second diagram?
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The second one with the switches.
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Thank you all.... I connected the red and blue wire and it all works like a champ!

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