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Old 12-24-2011, 11:50 PM   #106
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I wired /plumbed houses for the bellevue chapter for many years,got tired of the politics
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Old 12-24-2011, 11:51 PM   #107
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That is because you are working in a commercial application. Anyone that operates equipment or tools in a commercial setting has to be certified. Most of the time, it is less than 2 hours of instruction, and then you have a senior operator that "ghosts" you until they feel that you are competent enough to use without them watching over.

And yes it is also correct that in a commercial application, if you are caught by OSHA using a Ramset or other tools without being signed off on them, and you or someone else gets injured, the big bad government employee can not only fine you, but they can fine the company you work for. Most companies will dismiss you before they can be fined for your incompetence, when something happens, that dangers others.
The HILTI Instructor told us you needed to be certified (it's free anyway at no cost) even to own one. So IDK about that.... Me and a few others asked when he was running the class because we were looking into buying some someday. That's when we found out to personally own one, it's $250-780 depending on which one, and then to have it, you have to go through their class which they offer both in-store, and for field training teams.

Like me, I'm certified on the DX 351/ DX 351-CT and the DX 460. I can just go and buy either of them and use them at will because I'm certified. But if I wanted to buy a DX A70R, or a DX 600 or a DX36M etc. I have to take a 15 min additional course on each one before I could purchase that one.

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Old 12-25-2011, 12:22 AM   #108
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Ever thought of volunteering for Habitat for Humanity build sites? Only Thursday Friday and Saturdays usually... They have plenty of Carpenters and Volunteers to do Carpentry, but not many Licensed Electricians, Plumbers, or HVAC Techs...
And they usually have guys in your generation and older. I've worked with a man who was 87 years old, hammering plywood and roofing materials on a roof. Even worked with a 77 year old who could do a lot of labor work....

Definitely something worth looking into if you get bored or have nothing to do...
One reason in my area is all these trades have to have a license, and someone has to permit the job.
Not many businesses will permit a free job, so most of these are paid for by donations.



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One reason in my area is all these trades have to have a license, and someone has to permit the job.
Not many businesses will permit a free job, so most of these are paid for by donations.



I think the troll is strong in this one!!
They are Licensed. The Regular Volunteers who aren't licensed work under the License of others on the building site.

Carpenters, Electricians, Plumbers, Masons, Equipment Operators, and regular volunteers are found all over Habitat for Humanity Worksites. It's legal because those with licenses supervise the work areas being done. I.e. Plumbers watch/show volunteers to do Plumbing work under thier supervision. Electricians take those with Electrical Trainee cards and have them help wire the homes, and check to see how they are doing. and make adjustments/corrections as needed. HVAC-R Techs, well, they do their own thing since no one can touch anything outside of the ducting and air filters.
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Dude, I don't know of ANY homes that have any higher than 30 amps..... That includes the $500,000 house my uncle bought years back....
So, where you live, for $500,000 you don't even get a stove to cook on?????
Ya know...because that would (or could) have a 50A breaker feeding it....and needless to say, that is more than 30A.

Must suck to sit in the living room floor in your $500,000 home and cook on a camp stove.
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So, where you live, for $500,000 you don't even get a stove to cook on?????
Ya know...because that would (or could) have a 50A breaker feeding it....and needless to say, that is more than 30A.

Must suck to sit in the living room floor in your $500,000 home and cook on a camp stove.
50amps would be fore a 240 volt, his stove was 120... Only drew 15 amps... 50 amps would be insane... There is no way he'd be able to power that. Nothing he had in his house went above 30a.
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They are Licensed. The Regular Volunteers who aren't licensed work under the License of others on the building site.

Carpenters, Electricians, Plumbers, Masons, Equipment Operators, and regular volunteers are found all over Habitat for Humanity Worksites. It's legal because those with licenses supervise the work areas being done. I.e. Plumbers watch/show volunteers to do Plumbing work under thier supervision. Electricians take those with Electrical Trainee cards and have them help wire the homes, and check to see how they are doing. and make adjustments/corrections as needed. HVAC-R Techs, well, they do their own thing since no one can touch anything outside of the ducting and air filters.
So, how is it that you know this, but are a student? Google & Yahoo search engines are a great thing aren't they?
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50amps would be fore a 240 volt, his stove was 120... Only drew 15 amps... 50 amps would be insane... There is no way he'd be able to power that. Nothing he had in his house went above 30a.
Not cooking much with a 15 amp stove.
Does it take about a week to cook Christmas dinner?
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50amps would be fore a 240 volt, his stove was 120... Only drew 15 amps... 50 amps would be insane... There is no way he'd be able to power that. Nothing he had in his house went above 30a.
Gas stove or electric??
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So, how is it that you know this, but are a student? Google & Yahoo search engines are a great thing aren't they?
My School, uses work as the classroom.

Habitat for Humanity I've been working for, for quite some time in my program. I've also maintained commercial and residential buildings and equipment. And have performed Logistics duties which require operatinf forklifts, and working with actual Journeyman from the trades.

Very little time is spent in an actual class room outside of checking basic skills.
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50amps would be fore a 240 volt, his stove was 120... Only drew 15 amps... 50 amps would be insane... There is no way he'd be able to power that. Nothing he had in his house went above 30a.
Must be an Easy Bake with a 100watt bulb.
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Gas stove or electric??
It think it was gas. he had a gas water heater, too.

He also had gas heaters. (and propane heaters as auxilleries)
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Very little time is spent in an actual class room outside of checking basic skills.
And..........naaaaaa, nevermind....too easy
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My School, uses work as the classroom.

Habitat for Humanity I've been working for, for quite some time in my program. I've also maintained commercial and residential buildings and equipment. And have performed Logistics duties which require operatinf forklifts, and working with actual Journeyman from the trades.

Very little time is spent in an actual class room outside of checking basic skills.
I would suggest that until you get some more experience, that you stay in the classroom more vs. being on the Internet, along with studying those books, including the NEC.
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And..........naaaaaa, nevermind....too easy
Reason we have class time in an actual class room is to take knowledge tests and practice basics so when we went to our workbase sights we could actually do the work from day one without much issues at all for the people we worked for/with.

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