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Old 12-25-2011, 12:20 AM   #91
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5 years of OJT, then another 50 years of OJE same as for Plumbers.

And Plummen apparently didn't know that, or he wouldn't have stated his 3 year old grandson was trained to use them.
Actually, you do not have to be trained to use a Powder actuator, unless you are in the trades. I have one, and I do not have a license, so does that mean that I have illegally obtained the one that I have in my possession? Should I go downtown and turn myself into the local police?

Also, where are you coming up with the 50 years for plumbers? If that was the case, most of them would be dead before they earned their license.

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yeah i know what is ,ive had a ramset one since the early 90s ive also got a license for hilti"s
I spent some time in the Army probably before you were born operating a real rifle that fired real bullets at bad people,after that bit of training the ramsets were pretty easy to operate.
And yes my 3 year old grandson is very handy with tools for his age.I have a jd 710g 4x4 extendahoe and a jd 135d trackhoe that he knows how to pull the levers on both,by the time hes 10 id put him up against anybody if he keeps at it
The way you came off made it sound as though you saw powder actuated tools as toys.

But why the levers? You know the newer ones which he'll probably be using if he goes into (or chooses to) operating equipment using more joysticks etc.
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5 years of OJT, then another 50 years of OJE same as for Plumbers.

And Plummen apparently didn't know that, or he wouldn't have stated his 3 year old grandson was trained to use them.
I can teach a kindergarten class how to proficiently operate a ramset in about 15 minsand yes that was joke about grandson having a ramset license!
it doesnt take 5 years of training to get no stinking ram set license anywhere!
my forklift certification consisted of staying awake through a 45 minute and a 10 minute written test!
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Actually, you do not have to be trained to use a Powder actuator, unless you are in the trades. I have one, and I do not have a license, so does that mean that I have illegally obtained the one that I have in my possession? Should I go downtown and turn myself into the local police?

Also, where are you coming up with the 50 years for plumbers? If that was the case, most of them would be dead before they earned their license.
Not illegal to have one, just you can be fined $100 for every charge on your person, and fined $500 for having the tool in your hand.

Each charge comes on a clip. Each clip has 10 charges. Each clip if full, is $1,000 a piece. You wouldn't be arrested or anything, just fined a few thousand dollars.

Certification is only a 2hr course, and its free. Free training+Certification=0 fines... Can't beat that...

Sadly, I have to go all the way down to woodinville to get certified on the rest of HILTIs tools
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The way you came off made it sound as though you saw powder actuated tools as toys.

But why the levers? You know the newer ones which he'll probably be using if he goes into (or chooses to) operating equipment using more joysticks etc.
when i got in the trades my first backhoe had 4 levers,2nd one had 2.
my g has levers and joy sticks depending on which controls you prefer,135 has just one joy stick for boom/bucket controls,foot/lever controls to drive/steer
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Not illegal to have one, just you can be fined $100 for every charge on your person, and fined $500 for having the tool in your hand.

Each charge comes on a clip. Each clip has 10 charges. Each clip if full, is $1,000 a piece. You wouldn't be arrested or anything, just fined a few thousand dollars.

Certification is only a 2hr course, and its free. Free training+Certification=0 fines... Can't beat that...

Sadly, I have to go all the way down to woodinville to get certified on the rest of HILTIs tools
Really, I can be fined to have one? And wow, the charges come on clips, and they cost $1,000. Where are you looking this info up?

And there is a certification course? In the commercial industry, a certification for most things consist of staying awake, and showing the ability to safely use the equipment. Just like Plummen, I too have done a certification for operating a forklight, and other assorted equipment. Did not require any paying for, just had to not wreck the building, or equipment, and show safe proper use.
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Actually, you do not have to be trained to use a Powder actuator, unless you are in the trades. I have one, and I do not have a license, so does that mean that I have illegally obtained the one that I have in my possession? Should I go downtown and turn myself into the local police?

Also, where are you coming up with the 50 years for plumbers? If that was the case, most of them would be dead before they earned their license.
50 years because that is what a Plumber told me, it takes 50 years Plumbing Experience to truly know WTF you're doing. A Plumber who's been a Plumber for 55 years going on 56 in the Plumbing Trade told me that.

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I can teach a kindergarten class how to proficiently operate a ramset in about 15 minsand yes that was joke about grandson having a ramset license!
it doesnt take 5 years of training to get no stinking ram set license anywhere!
my forklift certification consisted of staying awake through a 45 minute and a 10 minute written test!
You suck. OSHA requires an 8 hour class, one test every 4 hours of the class, and then 45 minute handson, and then a final test for operating it, and a final test on paper. I wish I were an old timer...

And yeah, OSHA requires 2hrs minimum to get certified for HILTI-Powder Actuated Tools. and 15 minutes of additional training for each additional tool. Because they require you to know specific characteristics of each Powder Actuated Tool, and proper applications for it. And basic identification of Fasteners and Safety Procedures (so you don't shoot johnny on the other side of the wall in the head)
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Not illegal to have one, just you can be fined $100 for every charge on your person, and fined $500 for having the tool in your hand.

Each charge comes on a clip. Each clip has 10 charges. Each clip if full, is $1,000 a piece. You wouldn't be arrested or anything, just fined a few thousand dollars.

Certification is only a 2hr course, and its free. Free training+Certification=0 fines... Can't beat that...

Sadly, I have to go all the way down to woodinville to get certified on the rest of HILTIs tools
actually they can fine you for having used cartridges laying around unless you soak them in a bucket of water after using them to destrop left over gun powder
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Really, I can be fined to have one? And wow, the charges come on clips, and they cost $1,000. Where are you looking this info up?

And there is a certification course? In the commercial industry, a certification for most things consist of staying awake, and showing the ability to safely use the equipment. Just like Plummen, I too have done a certification for operating a forklight, and other assorted equipment. Did not require any paying for, just had to not wreck the building, or equipment, and show safe proper use.
HILTI-Trainer informed all of us, every powder charge is $100 fine if you're caught with it and not certified. Every clip has 10 powder charges.

To BUY the clips, theya re only $5 or so a clip. But you can be fined for operating a HILTI Powder Actuated Tool $100 per live powder charge on your person + $500 for being in posession of the tool.

Per OSHA, you have to take certification classes. And for Forklift, You're restricted on each Forklift. Like my Forklift Cert, I'm only certified to operate a Counter-Balance Forklift under OSHA. I cannot operate a Rough Terrain Forklift, etc. etc. etc. If it's not Counter-Balance, I cannot under OSHA operate it. It's a $1,000 fine if caught operating a forklift without the proper certification card on hand.
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50 years because that is what a Plumber told me, it takes 50 years Plumbing Experience to truly know WTF you're doing. A Plumber who's been a Plumber for 55 years going on 56 in the Plumbing Trade told me that.



You suck. OSHA requires an 8 hour class, one test every 4 hours of the class, and then 45 minute handson, and then a final test for operating it, and a final test on paper. I wish I were an old timer...

And yeah, OSHA requires 2hrs minimum to get certified for HILTI-Powder Actuated Tools. and 15 minutes of additional training for each additional tool. Because they require you to know specific characteristics of each Powder Actuated Tool, and proper applications for it. And basic identification of Fasteners and Safety Procedures (so you don't shoot johnny on the other side of the wall in the head)
I dont know any plumbers still working after 50 years in the trades,the lead and asbestos kills us off long before that!
Ive retired twice in 30 yrs of working,i keep coming back because im bored!
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Im self employed,osha regs have no affect on me only employees!
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actually they can fine you for having used cartridges laying around unless you soak them in a bucket of water after using them to destrop left over gun powder
When I took the class, if you weren't certified you were fined regardless if you had them on you.

When finished with a clip, you have to soak it in water for 3 days, even if all of them are discharged.

Any clip found laying on the ground, discharged completely or not, is $500 fine on the spot, plus $100 for each charge that hasn't been discharged. A Tradesman with no attention to detail, can rack up $1,500 fine for not picking up a dropped clip. Even if it means bringing down a boomlift from 70ft in the air to pick it up, you have to do it.

But yeah, we had to take a 2 1/2 hour class for this...
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HILTI-Trainer informed all of us, every powder charge is $100 fine if you're caught with it and not certified. Every clip has 10 powder charges.

To BUY the clips, theya re only $5 or so a clip. But you can be fined for operating a HILTI Powder Actuated Tool $100 per live powder charge on your person + $500 for being in posession of the tool.

Per OSHA, you have to take certification classes. And for Forklift, You're restricted on each Forklift. Like my Forklift Cert, I'm only certified to operate a Counter-Balance Forklift under OSHA. I cannot operate a Rough Terrain Forklift, etc. etc. etc. If it's not Counter-Balance, I cannot under OSHA operate it. It's a $1,000 fine if caught operating a forklift without the proper certification card on hand.
That is because you are working in a commercial application. Anyone that operates equipment or tools in a commercial setting has to be certified. Most of the time, it is less than 2 hours of instruction, and then you have a senior operator that "ghosts" you until they feel that you are competent enough to use without them watching over.

And yes it is also correct that in a commercial application, if you are caught by OSHA using a Ramset or other tools without being signed off on them, and you or someone else gets injured, the big bad government employee can not only fine you, but they can fine the company you work for. Most companies will dismiss you before they can be fined for your incompetence, when something happens, that dangers others.
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I dont know any plumbers still working after 50 years in the trades,the lead and asbestos kills us off long before that!
Ive retired twice in 30 yrs of working,i keep coming back because im bored!
Ever thought of volunteering for Habitat for Humanity build sites? Only Thursday Friday and Saturdays usually... They have plenty of Carpenters and Volunteers to do Carpentry, but not many Licensed Electricians, Plumbers, or HVAC Techs...

And they usually have guys in your generation and older. I've worked with a man who was 87 years old, hammering plywood and roofing materials on a roof. Even worked with a 77 year old who could do a lot of labor work....

Definitely something worth looking into if you get bored or have nothing to do...
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