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Old 07-22-2012, 08:07 PM   #1
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Hey guys, to start I'm 23, just moved into my first house, and hoping to learn a little bit about wiring. One of the immediate things I noticed is that there is not an electrical outlet on the outside patio. However there is a light fixture, and my hope is to run a wire straight down out of the fixture to an external outlet. By doing this I'm trying to avoid cutting or drilling into the brick and running wires through to the switch.

Easy enough, except I'm hoping I can somehow make it to where this outlet gets constant power, rather than having it only get power when the light is on. I'm not sure how to do this. I attached a picture to show what I'm working with. Any help is appreciated!
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Hey guys, to start I'm 23, just moved into my first house, and hoping to learn a little bit about wiring. One of the immediate things I noticed is that there is not an electrical outlet on the outside patio. However there is a light fixture, and my hope is to run a wire straight down out of the fixture to an external outlet. By doing this I'm trying to avoid cutting or drilling into the brick and running wires through to the switch.

Easy enough, except I'm hoping I can somehow make it to where this outlet gets constant power, rather than having it only get power when the light is on. I'm not sure how to do this. I attached a picture to show what I'm working with. Any help is appreciated!
Eh, not going to happen, best bet is to just rent a drill and core bore a hole through the masonry.

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Ok thanks. That's what I was afraid of.
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Ok thanks. That's what I was afraid of.
One thing I would look into is a receptacle on the other side of the outside wall, that's where I would drill, this will make life easier in feeding your new receptacle.... If the grout lines are soft it will be easy drilling.
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Round weather proof extension box and EMT to a WP box. Then I would take the light off the switch, wire it up hot, and install a photocell in the extension box.

The other option other than installing a photocell, is purchasing a new fixture with a built in motion detector.
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Round weather proof extension box and EMT to a WP box. Then I would take the light off the switch, wire it up hot, and install a photocell in the extension box.

The other option other than installing a photocell, is purchasing a new fixture with a built in motion detector.
Just my opinion, but that is going to look ugly as ugly gets.
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But someone with no experience drilling and fishing thru brick is not going to go well.
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But someone with no experience drilling and fishing thru brick is not going to go well.
Yeah, I'll agree with that, at least he'll be able to make your idea work with very little skill involved. I get caught up in the aesthetic part of the job.
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Oh don't get me wrong, it wouldn't be my first choice. But my setup sometimes looks a lot more ascetically pleasing when they see the difference in cost.
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Oh don't get me wrong, it wouldn't be my first choice. But my setup sometimes looks a lot more ascetically pleasing when they see the difference in cost.
I can imagine, I generally don't get the chance to work for that type of cliental, we usually have to bend over backwards and wave our magic wands to make the wiring disappear.
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Now a days, the type of client that is price conscious is the norm vs the one that just wants it done.
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A bigger issue is that the ckt may not support an outlet.

If that is a light...chances are it's a 15a ckt with 14/2 wiring. Outlets are typically 20a ckts with 12/2 wiring.

You don't have an outlet somewhere on the other side of that wall?
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A bigger issue is that the ckt may not support an outlet.

If that is a light...chances are it's a 15a ckt with 14/2 wiring. Outlets are typically 20a ckts with 12/2 wiring.

You don't have an outlet somewhere on the other side of that wall?

Just to be noted, I never use 12-2 except for the required circuits, so to say typical is a little far from the truth.... it's a design choice, You would be much better off with two 14-2 circuits than one 12-2 circuit, just to put it into perspective.

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Nobody asked where the switch is in relation to this light. Its not likely, but if the switch is on the same wall as the light he may be able to fish a new 14/3 line with some effort.

Personally i agree with kbuz tho. Wire the light hot and put in a sensor light
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A bigger issue is that the ckt may not support an outlet.

If that is a light...chances are it's a 15a ckt with 14/2 wiring. Outlets are typically 20a ckts with 12/2 wiring.

You don't have an outlet somewhere on the other side of that wall?
I would bet in most houses in America only the code mandated 20 amp circuits are installed and the majority are only 15 amp.

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