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Old 10-24-2013, 10:04 PM   #1
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I did a call today at a manufactured home.
The GC is a local restoration company. They told me there was a water leak under the home which happens to be 25 minutes off the main highway- another 15 min. to the volunteer FD. Nearest neighbor is 120 acres away.
Fire got through the skirting and melted some pex and ABS drain lines to the laundry.
Besides the service I don't know the extent of the elect. damage.
The first picture is what I first saw as I drove up.
The second picture is the old meter
What would cause this? My guess is the place is around 10 yrs. old
I think what saved the home is the concrete siding.... The lady of the house heard popping, etc. outside and opened the side door to a wall of flames-- that's all the story I know...
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:07 PM   #2
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I have no proof, but I have heard that those smart meters can be a problem.

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Could have simply been a loose connection. I doubt the smart meter had anything to do with it.
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Google it...

http://emfsafetynetwork.org/smart-me...nd-explosions/

As I said, I have no proof, and it would be a long shot, but they have been reported to cause all kinds of problems...or it could be a loose connection.

OP...did you open up the meter socket?
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Google it...

http://emfsafetynetwork.org/smart-me...nd-explosions/

As I said, I have no proof, and it would be a long shot, but they have been reported to cause all kinds of problems...or it could be a loose connection.

OP...did you open up the meter socket?
Nope, I wanted to get home. Just thought of you guys here and figured I could stir up a little FRIENDLY debate among you sparky's
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By the looks of the meter can the fire started below the meter, if this is the case.

Are there any connections at the lower portion of this meter can?
What do the conductors look like at the connectors and lower portion.

Look for the major damage, typically that is where the problem started.
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Is that AL wire?
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Is that AL wire?
Yes looks like it to me.
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I think the fire started inside the meter. Based on the soot pattern and conditon of the meter.
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OK, I read the first few of those stories. They were all by homeowners, newspaper, and television stations. When the conclusions are made by electrical engineers or forensic investigators, then I will be interested in reading some more.
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I think the fire started inside the meter. Based on the soot pattern and conditon of the meter.
In investigating fire damage look for the most damage.

It looks like the most damage is at that the bottom of the meter can, but it is possible that something in the can dropped down and burnt. Though I am not sure what in the can could drop down?

It would be nice to see the meter can opened.

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In investigating fire damage look for the most damage. It looks like the most damage is at that the bottom of the meter can, but it is possible that something in the can dropped down and burnt. Though I am not sure what in the can could drop down? It would be nice to see the meter can opened.
Unfortunately I won't return to the job. My work is done there and it's too far off the beaten path.
In hind site I should have investigated more.
We can only speculate now.

I do see the electricians now and then- I'll ask them for more info at some point
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For residential electricians, I assume that is a meter main combo can?
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In investigating fire damage look for the most damage.

It looks like the most damage is at that the bottom of the meter can, but it is possible that something in the can dropped down and burnt. Though I am not sure what in the can could drop down?

It would be nice to see the meter can opened.
The meter cover is plastic....

Look at the case....see how the bottom portion is white....it got hotter than the upper portion....and since heat rises and the meter is above the heat source....it melted.

If the fire started at the meter, the bottom portion of the box would not be damaged as bad....and those wires would not have all the insulation burned off.
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The meter cover is plastic....

Look at the case....see how the bottom portion is white....it got hotter than the upper portion....and since heat rises and the meter is above the heat source....it melted.

If the fire started at the meter, the bottom portion of the box would not be damaged as bad....and those wires would not have all the insulation burned off.
You are pointing out something I stated in my first post, regarding this topic.

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