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Old 11-07-2008, 03:53 PM   #16
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I have to confess I've never seen a house wired completely with ent. Generally speaking you run individual wires in ent not romex. So if they ran romex in ent for your whole house I'm at a loss to why they did that.
That's exactly what they did. There is NM in ENT any time the NM leaves the joists (heat pump, water heater, well pump)... not inside walls though.

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Exposed ent is allowed but not where it is subject to physical damage. A somewhat common application is exposed above a suspended ceiling. A quick call to your codes department will clear this up...after all as Chris mentioned that is the opinion that counts.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:02 PM   #17
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Ok that's cool...I'm just saying that ent installed in an area that is deemed subject to physical damage by the inspector is not going to be allowed. My inspector deems drops to receptacles on un-finished basement walls subject to physical damage and a raceway or conduit listed for use for protection against physical damage must be used to protect the romex. This usually in my area is EMT.
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:31 PM   #18
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I thought we were joking....

I gotta agree with ya Chris but the inspector ain't gonna allow ent.

Opps... sorry. (*walks away embarrassed*)
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Old 11-07-2008, 11:31 PM   #19
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Why does 362.10 says ENT "shall be permitted for exposed work" in structures under 3 storeys? That's pretty explicit.

Are there local codes in some areas that repeal this section?

You all have to understand, my *entire house* was built using only ENT for protection. In the kitchen island, all over everything. If this is wrong then I am concerned.
Sure, ENT is permitted for exposed work. But it isn't counted as offering protection from physical damage. There's simply no reason to use it in a house with NM wire that I can think of. Not wrong, just no benefit.

If you paid an electrician to wire your house and they opted to use ENT for a protective means in locations subject to damage, they really screwed the pooch. A professional electrician should know better. The good news is that it is probably fairly easily fixed with some EMT or schedule 80 PVC. I see a lot of people make the same mistake with liquitight conduit...Which, like ENT, isn't for protection from physical damage (with the exception of AC units).

Has this work been inspected yet?
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liquitight conduit...Which, like ENT, isn't for protection from physical damage (with the exception of AC units).
How about the flexiable BX, is that considered protection from physical damage? or only in certin cases?

I use ridgid EMT in exposed areas, but my furnace is connected with a BX flexiable metal whip, so I am curious.

It wasn't flaged on inspection, but I am curious now if it is wrong.

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but I am curious now if it is wrong.
Wrong. But it comes down to the inspector's judgement as to whether the location subjects the wire to physical damage.
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Wrong. But it comes down to the inspector's judgement as to whether the location subjects the wire to physical damage.
So in pretty much all cases are all kinds of flex conduit (smurf, BX, sealtight) subject to the same rules as NM? (i.e. it can not run outside of walls, can not run below a joist, etc?) (with the exception of the sealtight to AC)

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Old 11-08-2008, 03:50 PM   #23
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Has this work been inspected yet?
Yes. It was inspected when the house was built, and then again when I bought the house 2 years later. This is original wiring from when they built the house.
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Yes. It was inspected when the house was built, and then again when I bought the house 2 years later. This is original wiring from when they built the house.
Too bad the city inspector and your pre-purchase inspector weren't brushed up on their electrical code.

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So in pretty much all cases are all kinds of flex conduit (smurf, BX, sealtight) subject to the same rules as NM? (i.e. it can not run outside of walls, can not run below a joist, etc?) (with the exception of the sealtight to AC)

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Pretty much, when it comes to protection of the wire. Nothing wrong with using any of them, but they're of no protective value in the eyes of the code.
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Too bad the city inspector and your pre-purchase inspector weren't brushed up on their electrical code.

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This last one is one of my "new" outlets, this one is for my network so I can get rid of a power strip that is strung across in a way I don't like.

All the ones in the post above came with the house though.

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This last one is one of my "new" outlets, this one is for my network so I can get rid of a power strip that is strung across in a way I don't like.

All the ones in the post above came with the house though.

Those are gfci protected right?
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Also, is the panel that supplies the well tank within sight and within 50'? I didnt see a disconnect.
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Those are gfci protected right?
No, further down the line I'm installing a chest freezer on that circuit. It's 20 amp and has plenty to spare.

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Also, is the panel that supplies the well tank within sight and within 50'? I didnt see a disconnect.
I guess that depends on how good your eyesight is. It's all the way in the other corner of the basement. It's more than 50 feet.

Should I bother adding a disconnect? This isn't new work, it's been this way since the house was built.

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