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Old 05-20-2010, 07:14 PM   #16
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Owner-Occupied

He owns it, but he doesn't live in it.
He can't live in it if there's no power.

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Old 05-20-2010, 07:28 PM   #17
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there's wayyyy to many holes in this story.
The inspector doesn't inspect your whole house on a service change. He inspects the work that the permit was pulled for. If the 2004 job passed code then you should be fine. Everything that they've told you to do you should do anyways as it's just a better job at the end but why would they do a walkthrough of the whole house unless the whole house is being done. I'd take a second look at the paperwork as i think there's a misunderstanding somewhere.
I'm wondering why you aren't allowed to take out the permit....that's technically illegal for them to do that UNLESS they figured out that you didn't do your own work the first time around. You may pull the permit...but YOU have to do the work...not your handyman. It's a rule that was put in place to keep honest sparkies going and handymen that "think" they know electrical(definately not all handymen but some) from messing things up such as your house.

I closed on the house a few days ago. I called to get the power turned on and was told by the electric company (Richmond power and light) that it would have to be inspected before power could be turned on. Was advised that this is normal when a home sets vacant for a time.

I called the number they gave me to call (Permits & Inspections Wayne county) I had to pay a fee for the permit and inspection. They scheduled the inspection for today (20th) Handy man said we have to move the electrical box because the make shift laundry room flashing had failed. I went and bought 65feet of 4 wire and 65 feet of bare copper wire from lowes. The weather head, meter and outside disconnect are all new as of 2004.

The 100 amp box was moved to the basement. One new 20 amp breaker was installed. 1 outlet in a steel box was mounted. 1 over head light on a pull string was mounted and wired. All but 1 knock out was filled (missed on on the top I didnt see .

Handy man did not know that GFI was required for ceiling of basement. He was thinking only metal box. I guess he didn't know that if you use 4 wire cable you don't use bare copper. I guess he didn't know about bonding.

The inspector shows up on time. I shake his hand and he goes into robot mode. Starts walking the outside of my house. Tells me that my windows are nailed shut and thats a fire haz. Im thinking to myself great he must also inspect other things besides electrical. He tells me he feels a little tingle when he touches my meter. Im thinking great... he removes the disconnect and inspects the wires. He pulls on them hard like he is trying to tear them off! He trys to close the box cover but has a hard time. He is frustrated.

We go inside I show him where the box is. He takes off the cover and starts pulling hard on the wires. Starts talking to hisself. I thougth he was talking to me. Puts the cover back on the box walked the whole inside of my house room by room. Comments on how he likes my pocket doors. We go outside on the porch. He hands me this yellow sheet of paper and says I need to hire an electrician. I ask him what is wrong and he tells me to show this paper to a licensed electrician and he will understand. He says something about how it's going to be a big project. I said I need electricity before I can do anything.

3 hours later I call the permit inspection phone number again. I inquire about getting service outside and ask about permits and procedures. Told me to call an electrician from the list she is going to send me. I tell her "I have a guy comming out to give me a estimate on the repairs on the list." She asked me his name. I tell her his name and she tells me he is not on her list so he can not get a permit. I said "ok I will come in and get a permit how much is it." She says I am not allowed to get a permit. Only licensed electricians on her list are granted permits. She sends me the email from my above post.

I didn't leave anything out. I promise. I will post picures of the open box and run, meter, weather head anything anybody needs. to help me.

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Old 05-20-2010, 07:30 PM   #18
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He can't live in it if there's no power.

Come june 2nd Im living there weather it has power or not. My lease is up June 1.
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Old 05-20-2010, 07:32 PM   #19
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Exactly. There is a presumption that things are basically OK enough to move in. There is also the expectation that any "extra" properties you own are going to be for other people... i.e. renters.
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The list would be of licensed or registerd, insured and/or bonded electricians of the City of Richmond.
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Exactly. There is a presumption that things are basically OK enough to move in. There is also the expectation that any "extra" properties you own are going to be for other people... i.e. renters.
Im sorry not following.. This is my only property. I saved up cash for 2 years and bought this home out right. Being unemployed this was my best option buy it outright and have no 600-800 dollar a month rent due. I was watching my savings dwendel to rent. Thought this would be the best idea. oops

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The list would be of licensed or registerd, insured and/or bonded electricians of the City of Richmond.

Yes it has many names and phone numbers. Just a pdf doc. Im going to be calling thouse numbers tomorrow I guess. Hope some of them give free estimates.
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You are in a tough spot. Presumably that inspector has found enough to red flag that residence - I.E. NO ONE CAN LIVE HERE.

You are under a time deadline. Do all the things that are on the list - quick! Start contacting those electricians, ask them if they will come and confirm that everything is OK and pull a permit for you, then you can call for the inspection.

The electrician should charge some nominal fee to make sure you aren't going to burst yourself into flame when you flip the breaker on... and pull the permit.

You aren't hiring them to do the work, you are hiring them to inspect and pull the permit.

Once you are in, you will qualify as owner/occupant, then you can do any more work by yourself.
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Old 05-20-2010, 07:58 PM   #23
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You are in a tough spot. Presumably that inspector has found enough to red flag that residence - I.E. NO ONE CAN LIVE HERE.

You are under a time deadline. Do all the things that are on the list - quick! Start contacting those electricians, ask them if they will come and confirm that everything is OK and pull a permit for you, then you can call for the inspection.

The electrician should charge some nominal fee to make sure you aren't going to burst yourself into flame when you flip the breaker on... and pull the permit.

You aren't hiring them to do the work, you are hiring them to inspect and pull the permit.

Once you are in, you will qualify as owner/occupant, then you can do any more work by yourself.

I see ...just get the permit. Then do the work. Then schedule the inspection with the contractor/electrician then schedule the inspection with the city and the contractor.
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I doubt you will find an electrician that will put his license on the line for your work
Especially not on a house that has been red flagged with a list that long
And if you ask an electrician to do that....and he tells the Inspector
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I doubt you will find an electrician that will put his license on the line for your work
Especially not on a house that has been red flagged with a list that long
And if you ask an electrridcian to do that....and he tells the Inspector

Oh I didn't know his license would be on the line. I thought as long as the electrician inspected my work it would be ok... yeah now that I read it out loud it sounds like that would be a doubtful and silly thing for a quality electrician.

I don't want to make the situation worse. I don't know why he would red flag me. I was nice... my home is decent. Sure it needs work. I was romanticizing about doing the work at a slow and steady pase. Seems like they don't want me even working on my own home. This is a big home 3300 sqft. I just can't afford the materials to put more than 2 outlets in each room. I just wanted a few outlets to work from. Maybe run a refridigerator and a laptop a few power tools from while Im working on the home. I can't gut my house and rewire the whole thing right now. Let alone pay an electrician for 10 days worth of work.
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The house is not gutted at all. Its nice. All I had was the main panel hooked up with one outlet and one light on a pull chain. None of the other wiring was hooked up anywhere.
This statement is a contradiction. A house is not habitable with one outlet and one light on a pull chain. It passed inspection in 2004 like that?!? I also think that there are some things we don't know about the situation. I know OP is trying to be straight with us - and I appreciate that he's still on board (heh heh heh).

OP, when you bought the house was it a short sale? Not inspected? With any real estate agent involved you should have known that the house had no power and couldn't be powered up.
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I don't want to make the situation worse. I don't know why he would red flag me. I was nice... my home is decent. Sure it needs work. I was romanticizing about doing the work at a slow and steady pase. Seems like they don't want me even working on my own home. This is a big home 3300 sqft. I just can't afford the materials to put more than 2 outlets in each room. I just wanted a few outlets to work from. Maybe run a refridigerator and a laptop a few power tools from while Im working on the home. I can't gut my house and rewire the whole thing right now. Let alone pay an electrician for 10 days worth of work.
He would red flag you cause it's his job. The home in your words is 'decent' but it is not legally habitable with one outlet and one light. The state has a vested interest in disallowing people to live in homes that are not fit for habitation.
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This statement is a contradiction. A house is not habitable with one outlet and one light on a pull chain. It passed inspection in 2004 like that?!? I also think that there are some things we don't know about the situation. I know OP is trying to be straight with us - and I appreciate that he's still on board (heh heh heh).

OP, when you bought the house was it a short sale? Not inspected? With any real estate agent involved you should have known that the house had no power and couldn't be powered up.
I bought the house from a broker on Craigs list. No warranty. I paid 10k. I planed to work on the home. as I am living in it. The power was off. The broker said as far as he knew service was new. Looking at the box it was. Copper thieves have removed alot of plumbing and cut alot of wires. Its a 3 story home. I had the roof and the foundation looked at. My handy man said we just needed to move the 100 amp box and recomended 200 amp service. Handy man advised there could be missing or cut wire in places less explored from the metal theifs. We disconnedted all the romex from the box and completly removed all circuts. Added a new breaker and ran a metal receptical and light. I just wanted power so in these next 10 days I could do more work prior to moving in. That means maybe connecting more circuits as time goes on. It passed in before the copper theifs got in. There are even 4 Thermo pride oil fired furnaces in the basement like brand new installed in 2004. a major remodel happened in 2004. I bet that was a pretty penny in 2004.

It's simple really. I thought I would just call and get the electric turned on. Only thing I thought was really wrong was water could drip down on the box and common sence told me that it would never pass like that. oops
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Based on all the information the house does need a complete rewire
What you needed was Temp service box
With the condition of the wiring the Inspector did what he thought was right
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Based on all the information the house does need a complete rewire
What you needed was Temp service box
With the condition of the wiring the Inspector did what he thought was right

Any idea how much they cost? I know the permit is 50 bucks and I am not allowed to pull this permit

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