Enhancing Existing Wiring To Detached Garage - Electrical - Page 3 - DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Electrical

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-04-2008, 02:25 PM   #31
Electrician
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Connecticut, Litchfield
Posts: 2,015
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Quote:
Originally Posted by white29 View Post
Jeez, I was going to ask some questions about my own sub panel project, but I'm a little scared to now!

Heres the problem I see with DIY and electricity, can a DIY tackle small electrical jobs? Absolutely... and with a little help they can do it efficiently and to code.

Now the downside, some jobs involve many codes to different applications and to walk someone through them can be a long road, now we throw in the mix of two people that disagree on a code, well that just really screws up the works... and it happens because some people just believe what there told is code or just dont read the NEC anymore. So these things happen.

Advertisement

chris75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2008, 04:31 PM   #32
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Upstate,NY
Posts: 141
Rewards Points: 75
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Yeah,dont worry,it's all good. I'm just trying a little humor to break the tension. I dont want to hijack the poor original guys thread,I'll start my own tomarrow when I have time. Happy Fourth everyone.
white29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2008, 09:15 PM   #33
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 13
Rewards Points: 10
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Just a reminder if you decide to go with a subpanel. If you bring a neutral from the house (which you should) remember to remove the ground/neutral bonding jumper that will be already installed in the subpanel. You will need to make sure you have a ground and a neutral along with your hot feeder wires. Remember to seperate them at the sub and do not sink a ground rod at the garage sub. You only bond ground and neutral after the first means of disconnect, which is in your house. You should also only have one grounding location, at the house.
Stavop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2008, 09:56 PM   #34
Licensed Electrical Cont.
 
Speedy Petey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NY State
Posts: 6,905
Rewards Points: 2,162
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavop View Post
Remember to seperate them at the sub and do not sink a ground rod at the garage sub.
This would be true for a sub-panel in an attached garage/structure.
A detached structure served by a feeder MUST have some form of grounding electrode.
__________________
Sometimes I feel like if I answer any more questions it is like someone trying to climb over a fence to jump off a bridge and me giving them a boost.
Answers based on the 2008 & 2011 NEC.
Speedy Petey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 04:54 PM   #35
liscenced electrician
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Oregon coast
Posts: 997
Rewards Points: 514
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Quote:
Originally Posted by chris75 View Post
If you dont believe me, then take that statement over to Mike Holts Forum and post that question. I dont know where your reading that the required DISCONNECT must be fed by a certain size wire?
I'm beginning to believe you. Although im still skeptical. Reason being, the way I interpret "the feeder disconnecting means shall have a rating of not less than.... 60 amps" Is that The disconnect would be for the feeder and not further down the line...... Because thats how im taking what your saying. The main for the sub panel, would be 60 amps..............


well i decided to search google. And i found a thread at the mike holt forum, Basicly talking about how stupid the wording is on 225.39.
http://www.selfhelpforums.com/archiv...hp/t-1419.html

I read a couple of other threads. And it looks like your right. You must have a 6 or less disconnects, totaling 60 amps or more to disconnect the garage.
Like i said before though, Its been enforced here that you have run a 60A feeder out there. And its hard for me to believe differently, when its enforced the way that makes sense to me. I'll be bring it up to the inspector here shortly
jimmy21 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 05:11 PM   #36
Electrician
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Connecticut, Litchfield
Posts: 2,015
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy21 View Post
I'm beginning to believe you. Although im still skeptical. Reason being, the way I interpret "the feeder disconnecting means shall have a rating of not less than.... 60 amps"
Yes, the feeder disconnecting means, so if you run a 12 AWG feeder, it shall not have a disconnecting rating less than 60 amps, ( the disconnect goes at the seperate structure) no one said the disconnect had to be the over current protection, its just a disconnect. the NEC wants a 60amp Minimum rating, WHY? I dont know.
chris75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 05:34 PM   #37
Electrician
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Connecticut, Litchfield
Posts: 2,015
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy21 View Post
Like i said before though, Its been enforced here that you have run a 60A feeder out there. And its hard for me to believe differently, when its enforced the way that makes sense to me. I'll be bring it up to the inspector here shortly

I cant believe it makes sense to you... sorry, but I'm just not reading what your reading.

When you read the Title of 225.39 Rating of Disconnect. how do you come up with the conclusion that a 60 amp feeder must be run?
chris75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 06:18 PM   #38
liscenced electrician
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Oregon coast
Posts: 997
Rewards Points: 514
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Quote:
Originally Posted by chris75 View Post
I cant believe it makes sense to you... sorry, but I'm just not reading what your reading.

When you read the Title of 225.39 Rating of Disconnect. how do you come up with the conclusion that a 60 amp feeder must be run?

no, not that, i mean, after years of an inspector telling me whats what, its hard for me to come on here, and get convinced by somebody i don't know on the internet

Also, i total side note. Id say im a good quality electrician, that does nice clean quality work and gets it done quickly, but i've never claimed that code is my strong point. Maybe its an Oregon addendum, i don't know
jimmy21 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 06:24 PM   #39
Electrical Contractor
 
wirenut1110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Chester, VA.
Posts: 1,051
Rewards Points: 504
Send a message via AIM to wirenut1110
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


IMHO, everyone needs to do it as to what works for them. I think it's all dependent upon the AHJ. So let's notName:  beat a dead horse.gif
Views: 229
Size:  7.3 KB <<<<,beat a dead horse
wirenut1110 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 06:26 PM   #40
Licensed Electrical Cont.
 
Speedy Petey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NY State
Posts: 6,905
Rewards Points: 2,162
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy21 View Post
no, not that, i mean, after years of an inspector telling me whats what, .......
No offense, but you need to know what you are doing before the inspector even gets there.




Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy21 View Post
Also, i total side note. Id say im a good quality electrician, that does nice clean quality work and gets it done quickly, but i've never claimed that code is my strong point.
Neat and quality are necessary to gain a good reputation. Knowing the code is necessary to do the job right so you can sleep at night.
__________________
Sometimes I feel like if I answer any more questions it is like someone trying to climb over a fence to jump off a bridge and me giving them a boost.
Answers based on the 2008 & 2011 NEC.
Speedy Petey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 06:59 PM   #41
Electrician
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Connecticut, Litchfield
Posts: 2,015
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Quote:
Originally Posted by wirenut1110 View Post
IMHO, everyone needs to do it as to what works for them. I think it's all dependent upon the AHJ. So let's notAttachment 4144 <<<<,beat a dead horse
This is more of a learning experience than beating a dead horse...
chris75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 08:08 PM   #42
liscenced electrician
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Oregon coast
Posts: 997
Rewards Points: 514
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Quote:
Originally Posted by chris75 View Post
are you even an electrician?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy Petey View Post
Neat and quality are necessary to gain a good reputation. Knowing the code is necessary to do the job right so you can sleep at night.
[sarcasm] because id never be able to sleep at night if i had just pulled in 60 amp feeders. [/sarcasm] I get what your saying, i agree, code is important and I know you'll give me flack for this, but theres a big difference between something thats "not safe" and ignoring the ticky tack codes when its not getting inspected. Like if the guy ignored 225.39 and just pulled in a 12/3 and put a 20 amp main at the sub panel. I try to do everything up to code, im just saying, you make it sound like an ungrounded pancake box is worse than an open splice on a 12/2 that has an ocpd of 50a
jimmy21 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 10:39 PM   #43
Electrician
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Connecticut, Litchfield
Posts: 2,015
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy21 View Post
[sarcasm] because id never be able to sleep at night if i had just pulled in 60 amp feeders. [/sarcasm] I get what your saying, i agree, code is important and I know you'll give me flack for this, but theres a big difference between something thats "not safe" and ignoring the ticky tack codes when its not getting inspected. Like if the guy ignored 225.39 and just pulled in a 12/3 and put a 20 amp main at the sub panel. I try to do everything up to code, im just saying, you make it sound like an ungrounded pancake box is worse than an open splice on a 12/2 that has an ocpd of 50a

I was never trying to make you look bad, I was just trying to teach you what the code actually requires.... Do you really want to run # 6 for every feeder you pull to an outbuilding?
chris75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 11:47 PM   #44
liscenced electrician
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Oregon coast
Posts: 997
Rewards Points: 514
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


naw, i appreciate it, i really do, i need to brush up on code. also, Im not trying to argue, just for arguing, you have to admit 225.39 is goofy. Also, i suppose, the "who gives a crap as long as its safe" isn't the best thing to say here, because i've seen plenty of stuff that homeowners thought were safe that i just shake my head at. A good example of what i mean by safe, but not up to code, kinda ironic, (i guess not a violation after all) i ran 50A out to my garage because i had the wire layin around, and its more than what i need. Well i guess its still a violation because it has a 50A breaker on each side. I just kinda gathered from you, that you think if i can't recite article numbers that im out burning houses down
jimmy21 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 12:19 AM   #45
Licensed Electrical Cont.
 
Speedy Petey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NY State
Posts: 6,905
Rewards Points: 2,162
Default

Enhancing existing wiring to detached garage


For the sake of discussion, what is it you think 225.39 says?

Read it real close.

Advertisement

__________________
Sometimes I feel like if I answer any more questions it is like someone trying to climb over a fence to jump off a bridge and me giving them a boost.
Answers based on the 2008 & 2011 NEC.
Speedy Petey is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
breaker , electrical , garage


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mold in detached garage jkrodger Building & Construction 15 05-01-2009 02:46 PM
Grounding for detached all-metal garage geeswanie Electrical 3 07-03-2008 08:31 AM
Detached Garage Sub Panel Grounding Q integlikewhoa Electrical 13 01-01-2008 07:22 AM
detached garage Kapt Electrical 12 01-17-2007 09:37 AM
Framing a carport on a detached garage nomagic Carpentry 3 05-04-2006 11:43 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts