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nailfun 03-01-2007 09:32 PM

Electronics NOVICE
 
The game of 2-3 prong I have some questions. We all know its against code to switch from 2-3 prong without a ground. ... ....
The argument seems to be can you put a GFCI plug in a room, and have it protect the entire room or just that outlet.
There are millions of 1960 homes out there with no ground, Is it within code to replace every outlet in a home with GFCI, as opposed to rewiring the whole home?????????Anyone want to stand up on this one????????????????
PS There is a possibility many electricains will say rewire the whole house in favor of making money for themselves.

MinConst 03-01-2007 09:39 PM

I am no sparky but I do not believe a GFCI will even work without a ground. I know it will not test but am not sure if the protection will be there.
As for replacing all outlets in a home with GFCIs I doubt very much it would pass code.

nailfun 03-01-2007 09:45 PM

eVEN FURTHER
 
The even more question might be is a ground as vital as all may think. In the 1960s I dont recall mass deaths from electricution. Maybe some great mind could explain this to me, in a logical term I might be missing. I dont recall my family in the 1950s or 60s ever talking about the dangers of the no ground outlet. We vacuumed and it worked. NOONE DIED! Im still here today.....
Any realistic gamers want to reply on this. Not the angry young chumps who have no reason. I want fact please!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

nailfun 03-01-2007 10:03 PM

The Key of your statement being the words "NOT SURE IF THE PROTECTION WILL BE THERE". Yet anothe

nailfun 03-01-2007 10:03 PM

The Key of your statement being the words "NOT SURE IF THE PROTECTION WILL BE THERE". Yet another electrician willing to come forward

nailfun 03-01-2007 10:08 PM

Have a nice day

darren 03-01-2007 10:10 PM

Hi there

You abosulety could change every plug in your house, this would cost quite a bit of money but you would be doing it legal and safe. The only problem may be if you have split plugs in your kitchen, i don't think i have ever seen GFI that could handle two circuits, i could be wrong and would love to see one if they exist.

The whole thing witht the ground is the safety. Yes 30 yrs ago no one worried about ground, but no one also worried about seatbelts and i don't believe there was mass deaths from car accidents. Now a days most people won't get in a car with out putting the seatbelty on.

Someone found a safer way to do things and that worked itself into being the norm.

Another note, a GFI will work without ground, i beleive everything would work without a ground but once again your taking the safety device off your circuit.

Hope this helps clear it up

Darren

jwhite 03-02-2007 04:59 AM

naifun, I may take you wrong but I sence some attitude. Did you really expect a slew of pro electricians to be up on a weeknight waiting to jump in on your question?

You can place one GfI as the first recepticle on each circuit and lable all the rest "no equipment ground" this is legal by code.

You could also put in GFI breakers and do the same thing with the lables.

The gfi will work, but you will not have an equipment ground.

Things that need a ground to work like surge arrestors, newer TVs Computers etc will be at risk for severe damage.

In addition if you use a cord connected tool or appliance that needs a ground you will not have one.


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