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Old 11-11-2008, 02:09 PM   #16
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This is quite possibly the worst, most ignorant statement I have seen yet on this site!!!!!!

The breakers job has very little to do with keeping anybody from being electricuted.
Ignorance is bliss I see! And where did I say the job of a breaker was to prevent electrocution? I qualified my statement further with the metal box description. I said it did it's job- meaning within a direct short it popped- The purpose of a breaker is twofold- to prevent overload of a circuit and to disconnect if a short is present!

And by the way- this comment "But I have been shocked/electricuted enough times that I have much more respect for electricity the older I get. But I still work Hot! Too late to teach an old dog new tricks" implies you should be reconsidering what you do. There is no reason that you need to work Hot! The older you get the easier it is to fibrillate the heart!
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:19 PM   #17
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The question was: Could he have gotten killed from this???


Your response was: Possible but not likely if you house is wired correctly and the breaker did its job as it should.

Wiring a house correctly and a breaker doing it's job will never I repeat never prevent a person from being electricuted if he was to touch a hot wire.

So your correct response would be to humbly ask for forgiveness from me, not to keep trying to defend your assinine comments.
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:23 PM   #18
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Ignorance is bliss I see! And where did I say the job of a breaker was to prevent electrocution? I qualified my statement further with the metal box description. I said it did it's job- meaning within a direct short it popped-
A person being grounded is not a direct short that will "pop" a breaker. A human has enough resistance that he will more than likely never "pop" a breaker. Maybe you should try it instead of telling other people how safe it is. Come on, Pretty Please.
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:36 PM   #19
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That only tells me that electricians take electricity very seriously and that I should respect it.

As opposed to Handymen.
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:52 PM   #20
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[-cuting, -cuted] to kill or injure by an electric shock [electro- + (exe)cute]
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I can cut and paste all day too. Notice the word injure
I stand corrected.
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:08 PM   #21
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I am by no means encouraging anyone to do electrical work. Just passing along that I've seen electricians tape up screw connections on switches and outlets to, what I assume, lessen the chance of contact.
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Too late to teach an old dog new tricks" implies you should be reconsidering what you do. There is no reason that you need to work Hot!

Again, you are just digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole of stupid every time you post.

There is definately reasons to "Work Hot". I am qualified to do it, and it is covered in NFPA 70E under "Qualified Personnel".

Attached is a picture of 1 of 3 I/O racks hooked up to a PLC which has total control over a plant that I contract into. This plant shuts down once a year for 7 days, other than that, most things in this cabinet are worked hot so the plant can keep running. If I was to reconsider what I do, there are thousands of electricians just like me that are just as capable as working on this equipment.

Time for you to stick to what you know, whatever that might be.
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:46 PM   #23
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I can cut and paste all day too. Notice the word injure
you may find a few definitions that include merely injury but in common usage, electrocution is death caused by electricity.


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Thanks for all your inputs. This is about the fourth time in my career where I've seen electricians get pissed off because some yahoo was trying to do electrical but didn't know what he was doing. (I'm not talking about myself)I haven't seen that from other trades. That only tells me that electricians take electricity very seriously and that I should respect it.
thank you for understanding why silk is responding the way he has. I , too, am an electrician and have to support everything silk has presented in this thread (except the electrocution/injury thing). It is a very dangerous occupation even when you know what you are doing. Not understanding it only increases the dangers to such a great extent, a person without a moderate understanding should just leave it alone.

When I apprenticed, my journeyman started our walk to our job area by saying;

"electricity. It's silent death. You can't hear it. You can't see it. You can't smell it, but make a mistake and it will bite you and that bite can be deadly".

the first day he said this, I was in awe of his wisdom.

The second day I figured he didn;t remember telling me the day before.

After about a week of this, I told him to shut the hell up because now he is just making me nervous where I wasn't before and THAT was what was going to get ME hurt.
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you may find a few definitions that include merely injury but in common usage, electrocution is death caused by electricity.



thank you for understanding why silk is responding the way he has. I , too, am an electrician and have to support everything silk has presented in this thread (except the electrocution/injury thing).

A matter of semantics, to each their own. The point is, the handyman is a dolt.
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:31 PM   #25
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A matter of semantics, to each their own. The point is, the handyman is a dolt.
If you want to impart your wisdom of the trade, why don't you go on to www.electriciantalk.com where "electricians" can argue with you? I don't recall insulting anyone but then again, you probably didn't read the Terms of Service when you signed up...

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Old 11-11-2008, 06:36 PM   #26
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In post #16 you called me ignorant. I was just returning the favor, so quit whining and be a man.
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:52 PM   #27
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100%, I don't think so. Tell me if he would be electricuted if the can opener didn't touch the yoke or the metal box, and he was in the basement standing on concrete.
He would probably have just been shocked, not killed.

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Being electricuted only means you are being shocked, it does not have to be fatal.
It is almost always used to mean "killed by electricity". As in, electrical-execution.

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So if you want to tell these people that it's unlikely that he could be electricuted, you are doing a big disservice to them. You can't possibly know all the different variables that could be involved in his possible grounding.
I never said such a thing.

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100% impossible, I don't think so.
I never said that no one could get electrocuted. I said that since the child was not electrocuted, then the chance was obviously 100% that he wouldn't. This is in retrospect. Before he did it, then there was a chance. Now that it's over, we see that it didn't happen.
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:52 PM   #28
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This is quite possibly the worst, most ignorant statement I have seen yet on this site!!!!!!

Over react much?


I'm an electrician. I have been most of my adult life. I HATE handymen doing electrical work. I just repaired some handywork today.

With that being said Silk, quit being a douchebag.


My answer would be similar to Handymans.

I'd say:

Possible but not likely

the breaker did its job as it should.

Your son most likely shorted the hot side to the box which I'm guessing was metal and grounded.

A direct short should pop the breaker quickly.



All these were valid points. You read that the breaker is designed to protect people from electrocution. I didn't read it that way. The breaker did do it's job. If it didn't, there would be some serious burns on the kid.




If your kid was barefooted on a slab/tile/conductive floor, there is a good chance that he would have been killed.

It would have depended on:

1. When the contact was made with the box which tripped the breaker.
2. What kind of grip he had on the tool.

In your case, the kid was probably insulated via his shoes and the carpet.The electricity took the path from the screw terminal, thru the tool to the grounded box. The current overload opened the breaker.

If this circuit was GFCI prtected, the kid could stick his fingers in there and it would trip in an instant. I have personally field tested a GFCI recep.

I know they work.


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In post #16 you called me ignorant. I was just returning the favor, so quit whining and be a man.
You miight want to take a look at post # 3

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Old 11-11-2008, 06:58 PM   #29
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Over react much?


I'm an electrician. I have been most of my adult life. I HATE handymen doing electrical work. I just repaired some handywork today.

With that being said Silk, quit being a douchebag.


My answer would be similar to Handymans.

I'd say:

Possible but not likely

the breaker did its job as it should.

Your son most likely shorted the hot side to the box which I'm guessing was metal and grounded.

A direct short should pop the breaker quickly.



All these were valid points. You read that the breaker is designed to protect people from electrocution. I didn't read it that way. The breaker did do it's job. If it didn't, there would be some serious burns on the kid.




Sometimes your comments make me think your a handy man also. What the hell are you even talking about, the kid is lucky to be alive, stop believing electricity is safe, and learn something, most deaths in the workplace for your info, is caused by 120 volts. so stop being such a douchebag yourself. gezz, at least pretend to be professional.
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Is everyone having their periods today?


Using the info we have, please tell me how the kid could have been killed?

Electricity,in this case, cant go into you, it has to go thru you.....right?

I'll wait.

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