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Old 12-14-2008, 06:49 AM   #1
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Hi;
I have a really simple question.
Do all electrician's side-cutters have grooved jaws?
I'm asking this because, when these are used to twist wires before installing wirenuts, the wires always get scored. Is that OK, or should I be using a smooth jawed plier for this work?

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A lot of guys strip the wire a little long and twist by the ends then cut the scarred ends off.

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Hi;
I have a really simple question.
Do all electrician's side-cutters have grooved jaws?
I'm asking this because, when these are used to twist wires before installing wirenuts, the wires always get scored. Is that OK, or should I be using a smooth jawed plier for this work?

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I have never seen a smooth jaw pair of lineman's. But the marring is minimal unless you are putting a death grip in the wires. If you hold the wires loosely within the jaws and turn, they should rotate around each other.
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All the side cutters I have seen do not have any grooves. The entire jaw is a cutter.
If you are talking about linemen's pliers then yes they all have grooved jaws. They would be useless for tighten or loosening any thing with smooth jaws. The tip is most often not grooved for an 1/8 or 3/16 inch.
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All the side cutters I have seen do not have any grooves. The entire jaw is a cutter.
If you are talking about linemen's pliers then yes they all have grooved jaws. They would be useless for tighten or loosening any thing with smooth jaws. The tip is most often not grooved for an 1/8 or 3/16 inch.
This must be a regional dialect thing. Where I'm from, lineman's pliers, aka Kleins, are also known as side cutters. What you describe above we call diagonal cutters, or dikes.
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All that I have ever seen had grooves on em...

But as a side note, I rarely pre twist wires. Just cut em off square and lay with the stripped ends straight and put on a wire nut.

In fact I just checked a box of nuts and it says no pre twisting needed.
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That looks more like it!

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Wierd! Around here, side cutters are side cutters and linesman pliers are different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineman's_pliers
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In Rex Cauldwell's "Wiring a House" he refers to the tool as Lineman's or Electrician's cutters, as side cutters, and as Klein. Of course Klein is a brand-name, but I have always referred to them as Lineman's pliers.

Thanks for the advice on (pre)twisting. I will use it next time I have the opportunity to do the twist!
Sometimes though, I cannot get enough "extra" wire stripped to twist by the ends, as in old work where the pervious wirer (I won't call him an electrician, because I suspect that he was not) didn't leave the obligatory 6" of free wire.
I have never seen any really serious scoring of the wires, just that I am a perfectionist.

BTW, my Electrician's pliers are an off-brand that I bought from a mail-order tool and hardware co a very long time ago. They still do the job though.
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BTW, my Electrician's pliers are an off-brand that I bought from a mail-order tool and hardware co a very long time ago. They still do the job though.
That's why you call them lineman's pliers, and I call them Kleins
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all the same thing my freinds, and yes, they do have cross grooves for gripping which will smooth out when you get some real use out of 'em.
if you really were a perfectionest you would only use kleins. lol
by the way, always twist your wires. dont listen to a box. as you all should know, the first thing an electrician does is throw away the instructions.
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When you buy lineman's pliers the package will say x" side sutting pliers. Diaganal cutting pliers are also called dikes.

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