Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Electrical

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-15-2012, 07:21 AM   #1
Newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 21
Rewards Points: 0
Share |
Arrow

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


We recently purchased an apartment complex built in 1950. Inspector's report advised us to upgrade the main electrical panel (fuse box) on the outside of the building. He also advised us to relocate fuse boxes in closets stating it is unsafe and a fire hazard.
We met with several electricians to get a quote. It's so confusing because everybody says different things...

FUSE BOXES IN THE CLOSET: One electrician advised us to flip the panel into the bathroom(closet is adjacent to bathroom) and install a breaker instead of a fuse box, another electrician claimed it's not up to code to have breakers in the bathroom.

MAIN PANEL OUTSIDE THE BUILDING: One electrician advised us to upgrade the amperage (currently 30 amps), the other claimed it's an unnecessary change that drives the cost up since we do not have any appliances that require high amperage: no washers or dryers.
So confusing. I want the property to be SAFE for our tenants, but cost-efficient for us. Any thoughts?
thank you.

edavt04@gmail.c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 07:46 AM   #2
Member
 
joed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Welland, Ontario
Posts: 7,543
Rewards Points: 6
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Panel can not be in a bathroom. Do not call that one back.
30 amps is not enough for an apartment. Are you sure that is what you have. It is definitely too small. Did you mean 300 amps? Only a load calculation will confirm what is needed. There are many online aids to do this.

__________________
Do not PM with questions that can be asked in a forum. I will not respond.
joed is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to joed For This Useful Post:
Code05 (03-15-2012)
Old 03-15-2012, 08:09 AM   #3
Member
 
Code05's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Easton MD
Posts: 1,841
Rewards Points: 0
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Location, size of units, appliance types, HVAC type, and laundry facilities.

Panels are not allowed in resi bathrooms or clothes closets in USA.
Code05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 08:12 AM   #4
Member
 
Code05's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Easton MD
Posts: 1,841
Rewards Points: 0
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Quote:
Originally Posted by joed View Post
Panel can not be in a bathroom. Do not call that one back.
Agreed.

Quote:
30 amps is not enough for an apartment.
Mebbe, TBD.
Code05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 08:23 AM   #5
Electrical Contractor
 
rrolleston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Granville, NY
Posts: 1,941
Rewards Points: 0
Send a message via AIM to rrolleston Send a message via Yahoo to rrolleston
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Sounds like they currently have a 30 amp main fuse or breaker panel outside for each apartment. Some pictures would help.
__________________
With Electricity there is the right way to do it and the dead way. Just because it works does not make it safe.
rrolleston is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 08:26 AM   #6
Member
 
Code05's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Easton MD
Posts: 1,841
Rewards Points: 0
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Quote:
Originally Posted by rrolleston View Post
Sounds like they currently have a 30 amp main fuse or breaker panel outside for each apartment. Some pictures would help.
What, you do not know what a 30 amp panel looks like?

J/K, teasing you.
Code05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 08:51 AM   #7
Electrical Contractor
 
rrolleston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Granville, NY
Posts: 1,941
Rewards Points: 0
Send a message via AIM to rrolleston Send a message via Yahoo to rrolleston
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Quote:
Originally Posted by Code05 View Post
What, you do not know what a 30 amp panel looks like?

J/K, teasing you.
Nope never seen one before. We just use alligator clamps and lead cords out here.
__________________
With Electricity there is the right way to do it and the dead way. Just because it works does not make it safe.
rrolleston is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 08:56 AM   #8
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Nashua, NH, USA
Posts: 6,946
Rewards Points: 0
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


If each apartment has but a 30 amp x 120 volt service (two fuses) it is actually not that complex to upgrade with new breaker panels to meet code.

Now, for starters, you would need a new service drop to handle the upgraded services for all of the apartments (probably 60 to 100 amp @ 240 volt) panels in each apartment depending on apartment size. You will want separate meters for each apartment if not already. Two Romex cables would be run from the new panel to the closet where a junction box is substituted for the fuse box.

At a later date additional receptacles, lights, etc. can be added.

Many cities require that a licensed electrician do the work in multifamily buildings.
__________________
Stop wasting time re-adjusting the pattern. Have several lawn sprinklers, one for each pattern.
AllanJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 09:34 AM   #9
Member
 
Code05's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Easton MD
Posts: 1,841
Rewards Points: 0
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Quote:
Originally Posted by rrolleston View Post
Nope never seen one before. We just use alligator clamps and lead cords out here.
Code05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 09:50 AM   #10
Electrical Contractor
 
rrolleston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Granville, NY
Posts: 1,941
Rewards Points: 0
Send a message via AIM to rrolleston Send a message via Yahoo to rrolleston
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


I think there is a rule when upgrading or replacing that you bring it up to the min 100amp per dwelling. I would make sure that you at least have the proper GFCI receptacles/breakers installed in the bathroom and kitchen for safety. Pretty hard to control what a tenant will plug in and in the summer they will want to plug in an AC unit for sure. And if any electrician does the work make sure you require he pulls all the permits for the whole job being done.
__________________
With Electricity there is the right way to do it and the dead way. Just because it works does not make it safe.
rrolleston is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 10:13 AM   #11
Member
 
Code05's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Easton MD
Posts: 1,841
Rewards Points: 0
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Quote:
Originally Posted by rrolleston View Post
I think there is a rule when upgrading or replacing that you bring it up to the min 100amp per dwelling.
230.79 applies to services, not feeders to an apt. Unless each apt. has a service, doubtful.

less than 7 discos for building.

Last edited by Code05; 03-15-2012 at 10:16 AM.
Code05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 12:30 PM   #12
Member
 
joed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Welland, Ontario
Posts: 7,543
Rewards Points: 6
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Never thought of 30 amp in each apartment. I was thinking that was the main service to the apartment complex she was referring to.
__________________
Do not PM with questions that can be asked in a forum. I will not respond.
joed is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 12:35 PM   #13
Electrical Contractor
 
jbfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Newnan GA
Posts: 5,785
Rewards Points: 2
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Quote:
Originally Posted by joed View Post
Never thought of 30 amp in each apartment. I was thinking that was the main service to the apartment complex she was referring to.
It would be like Green Acres.

You can't have the 3 on with a 2, but you can have the 3 on with a 5.

I guess only thoses that are old enough to have watched Green Acres will understand this.
__________________
Yes I am a Pirate, 200 years too late. "Jimmy Buffett"
jbfan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 01:08 PM   #14
Member
 
Code05's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Easton MD
Posts: 1,841
Rewards Points: 0
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Quote:
Originally Posted by jbfan View Post
It would be like Green Acres.

You can't have the 3 on with a 2, but you can have the 3 on with a 5.

I guess only thoses that are old enough to have watched Green Acres will understand this.
Lisa was hot IMO.

Code05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 05:38 PM   #15
Newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 21
Rewards Points: 0
Default

electrical upgrades to an apartment complex built in 1950


Guys, thank you for your input.
Here's property inspector's advise:

Safety - Fuse socket extends beyond the panel cover. This type of system is outdated. We recommend upgrading to a modern panel. Additionally, until the panel is replaced, a licensed electrician should replace blown fuses because many live parts are exposed to accidental contact. Safety - One or more fuses have a higher amperage rating than the capacity of the connecting wires. This is a fire hazard because the wiring will overheat before the fuse will blow. An oversized fuse should be replaced with a new fuse appropriately sized for the gauge of the wire.
Further Evaluation - There are several 25 and 30 amp fuses being utilized for a circuit serving general outlets and lighting. This is a fire hazard. 30 amps is too much and can overheat the wiring and components on this circuit. We recommend further evaluation and correction as needed by a licensed electrical contractor.

edavt04@gmail.c is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Caused an electrical short in my apartment teodiaz Electrical 4 11-04-2011 07:52 AM
a few questions about electrical upgrades MLMIB Electrical 9 09-28-2010 01:08 AM
Changing from Electrical Cook Top to Electrical Range EkS Electrical 24 06-22-2010 10:43 AM
Electrical box replace,addiitions, city permits and looking for an electrician ramchy Electrical 3 08-02-2009 11:12 AM
Apartment electrical system overloaded? ph3iron Electrical 8 02-04-2009 04:16 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.