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Hmm, just had a thought- if there has been very little rain and the soil around that pipe/rod is real dry, that can cause some issues, soil is moist, damp or wet and conducts electric, but soil turned to dust and sand from long term drought isn't going to conduct very well at all, is the soil around there real bone dry from a lack of rain?

This tells me that you have no idea of what you are talking about when it comes to an electrical system and how one works.

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This tells me that you have no idea of what you are talking about when it comes to an electrical system and how one works.
Your responses in this forum in multiple places now tell me you have some kind of axe to grind on me and you are trying to provoke an argument, I don't know what your problem is and frankly I don't care.

I know exactly how a normal circuit works Mr, I might not be able to wire up a nuclear power plant but I don't see you offering much help to the OP (who by the way said he doesn't live in the USA, but in Sri Lanca where our practices, standards and codes don't apply.) SINCE his problem is fairly strange, one has to think outside your box and look at the far less probable causes, especially if his house had some unskilled do-it-himselfer working on it and did some bad wiring.

How about a bad, loose, poor neutral, a defective breaker, along with a hot wire in some appliance touching the case, then the ground becomes that earth ground, the one someone else suggested might be the cause of his high power bills!
What if the previous owner decided to use that earth ground rod for a NEUTRAL for one of the circuits, there's a whole wide range of possibilities that are outside your box of a hot wire contacting the neutral. Since he's being shocked by odd things, then it's not so simple!

After asking him about his earth ground rod, he then stated it was buried under concrete pavement by a previous owner- BINGO, dry as a bone soil under there because the rain can't get to it, or maybe in putting in the slab they broke the wire off and it's not actually touching anything but the bottom of the concrete slab, you don't know it, I don't either, no one here can see what the OP sees and know, that was why I made a SUGGESTION of a possibility of one of two or more defective parts.
If that suggestion and my questions didn't meet your liking SIR, then get off your butt and offer some help to the guy instead of your lame "call someone in" response, at least I'm questioning the guy and offering some possible things to LOOK AT.

While you are at it, stop bothering ME with your snide one liner comments on this forum towards me, in fact I'm going to add you to the ignore list because I'm tired of your attitude towards me in your responses.

And by the way, this is a perfectly valid statement and question I made earlier:

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if there has been very little rain and the soil around that pipe/rod is real dry, that can cause some issues, soil is moist, damp or wet and conducts electric, but soil turned to dust and sand from long term drought isn't going to conduct very well at all, is the soil around there real bone dry from a lack of rain?
So is this by Allanj:

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Current going to earth can cause your electric bill to increase.

You need to find out where the current is getting onto the earthing system and repair that. Most likely in a defective light fixture or appliance.

It should not be necessary to water the ground rod except for use of certain radio equipment or test equipment that uses the earth as part of its antenna system. Under normal conditions, current should not be flowing in any of the earthing wires.
And what IF there is current flowing into that rod, but because I ASKED about it, we now learned it's buried under a concrete driveway and can't be seen, the OP said people around there, pour water around those rods when its real dry, maybe they know something about their peculiar setup there in Sri Lanka that you DONT.

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To the OP,

Which breaker did you say is tripping again? It's hard for me to tell from the photo but I believe some of these breaker boxes have an RCD (gfci here in the states) that are supposed to kill the entire panel if there is a ground fault/earth leakage.
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Your responses in this forum in multiple places now tell me you have some kind of axe to grind on me and you are trying to provoke an argument, I don't know what your problem is and frankly I don't care.

I know exactly how a normal circuit works Mr electrician, I might not be able to wire up a nuclear power plant but I don't see YOU offering much help to the OP who by the way said he doesn't live in the USA, but in Sri Lanca where our practices, standards and codes don't apply. SINCE his problem is fairly strange, one has to think outside your box and look at the far less probable causes, especially if his house had some unskilled do-it-himselfer working on it and did some bad wiring.
How about a bad, loose, poor neutral, a defective breaker, along with a hot wire in some appliance touching the case, then the ground becomes that earth ground, the one someone else suggested might be the cause of his high power bills!
What if the previous owner decided to use that earth ground rod for a NEUTRAL for one of the circuits, there's a whole wide range of possibilities that are outside your box of a hot wire contacting the neutral which would normally throw the breaker- IF the breaker is not defective, if the rest of the wiring is properly installed. Since he's being shocked by odd things, then it's not so simple!

After asking him about his earth ground rod, he then stated it was buried under concrete pavement by a previous owner- BINGO, dry as a bone soil under there because the rain can't get to it, or maybe in putting in the slab they broke the wire off and it's not actually touching anything but the bottom of the concrete slab, you don't know it, I don't either, no one here can see what the OP sees and know, that was why I made a SUGGESTION of a possibility of one of two or more defective parts, such as a hot wire touching an appliance, a loose intermittant neutral, an ineffective earth ground.
If that suggestion and my questions didn't meet your liking SIR, then get off your butt and offer some help to the guy instead of your lame "call someone in" response, at least I'm questioning the guy and offering some possible things to LOOK AT.

While you are at it, stop bothering ME with your snide one liner comments on this forum towards me, in fact I'm going to add you to the ignore list because I'm tired of your holier than thou accusatory attitude.

And by the way, this is a perfectly valid statement and question:

So is this:

And what IF there is current flowing into that rod, but because I ASKED about it, we now learned it's buried under a concrete driveway and can't be seen, the OP said people around there, and he pour water around those rods when its real dry, maybe they know something about their peculiar setup there in Sri Lanka that you DONT.
Yes, pouring water over a ground rod should definitely fix any electrical issue...
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RWolff, he has a axe to grind with anyone that challenges him, and shows that he is over the top at times.
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Mods.. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT LOCK THIS THREAD!!

I just popped some popcorn.
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kelumpj....hopefully your still with us and not run off by the trolls.

I really doubt you have issues with your grounding...at least outside your house. Sri Lanka is tropical country...I'm sure you get enough rainfall to keep the ground pretty moist....and concrete also makes a good ground....

Your power system is 230Vac 50Hz. As you noted in one of your posts, your plug is L N E. L = line, N = Neutral and E is the earth ground (green wire).

If your plugs are like most...they are made (wired) by the user. Quite often when you buy a computer, unless you order it with a different power cord, it will come with a US type cord...hence, you chop off the male end and connect the wires to your new male plug.

I think your problem is in one of two places.....either your computer cord is wired wrong (L & E swapped...Or E & N) or the plug on the wall.

Here is what I would do....I assume you have a toaster and it does not shock you? Right? If so....plug your computer into that outlet. If all is good....then the problem is the outlet you have been using for the computer. If you still get shocked....either your computer cord is wired wrong or you have an issue with the power supply in the computer...or both.

Most modern computer power supplies will operated just fine if L&N are swapped....

I'm betting that your neutral (N) is swapped with your earth ground somewhere.

As for your energy bills....swap out those incandescent bulbs for CFL's. I really doubt an wiring problem is causing your bill to be too high.....

But just in case....look around your house...make sure your neighbor has not ran an extension cord to your house.
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Mods.. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT LOCK THIS THREAD!!

I just popped some popcorn.
It just needs to stay on topic, and a someone needs to drop their 'tude. It always ends up being a trainwreck after 20 or so posts, when it comes to electric. Never seen any other board on here end up being nothing but a bunch of petty arguments how something should be done, and who is smarter than the other.

I am with you electures, I am going to sit here and watch a certain someone turn this one into another derail.
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RWolff, he has a axe to grind with anyone that challenges him, and shows that he is over the top at times.
Oh yes I figured as much from the get-go in his responses, but figured I'd be nice... for a while... in case he was just having a bad day
There's one like that on every forum it seems, attacks newbies, berates anyone's mistakes or typos, posts one upmanships usually citing their 57 different college degrees, awards, and all their credentials about why they are better than everyone else, rarely posts anything of real help other than to be critical and run the other guy down.

He's on ignore now so there shall be no further interaction, and his 'tude won't even be seen again by me I suspect you are stuck with him unless you find the ignore in your cp and make use of it

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it just needs to stay on topic, and a someone needs to drop their 'tude. It always ends up being a trainwreck after 20 or so posts, when it comes to electric. Never seen any other board on here end up being nothing but a bunch of petty arguments how something should be done, and who is smarter than the other.
You said it well, and with the ignore function on, if he posts a reply to mine again it will be one-sided, you guys will be stuck with it, but I won't add to it as I won't have to read it

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RWolff, he is always having a ego day. His ego is bigger than the world put together. If you dig up a couple of my rants, where I finally let it go, and put it all out in the table, telling him that I am not happy with his attacks on me or singling out others, because he feels that he knows oh so much more than the next guy.

It just gets old after a while and the ego & attitude just needs to go. This is not the place for it, since all this is, is a discussion forum about answering others questions, not being code compliance officers.
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RWolff, he is always having a ego day. His ego is bigger than the world put together. If you dig up a couple of my rants, where I finally let it go, and put it all out in the table, telling him that I am not happy with his attacks on me or singling out others, because he feels that he knows oh so much more than the next guy.

It just gets old after a while and the ego & attitude just needs to go. This is not the place for it, since all this is, is a discussion forum about answering others questions, not being code compliance officers.

Well said Greg, we are on the same channel, appreciate your thoughts and professionalism. You are right on the mark, this is a forum with a professional atmosphere to it, one where we're supposed to HELP people who have questions if we might have suggestions, answers, or even opinions for them, and to ask questions on things we in turn might need help with. It's not a venue to ridicule someone new for typos or because English is not their first language, or they don't know some of the technical jargon.
I like this forum, it's got a lot going for it, and I suspect that is why you are here too.

I'm no electrical guru, I can't wire up a nuclear power plant control panel, but I sure can manage ordinary 120v and 220 v wiring circuits, outlets, breaker panels, electric motor repairs etc.
I maintain all the machinery, tools, lights, the basic building systems, A/C and heating at work with maintenance and minor repairs as needed, if something goes beyond what I can do I tell my foreman to call in someone. I worked along our local electrician to install new wiring with him in a new building addition at work, pulling cable, planning circuits, replacing over 100 ballasts and he knows I'm a capable guy.

In the past I've worked as a commercial building superintendent's assistant in a 9 story 20,000 sq ft loft/factory building doing anything and everything required, from roof repairs to plumbing, electrical, demolition, renovation, painting, running the boilers, fixing the elevators a few times, masonry, replacing glass, door locks, etc. The superintendent himself was about 70 and worked in the building for decades, and he had no clue that things like electric motors and compressors take grease or oil. One by one the pumps, motors and air compressor for the toilet pressure tank burned out from lack of lubrication, and there I was 19 year old kid and even I knew that those machines needed oil. When I said "didn't you know that air compressor takes OIL in the crankcase?" he said no, he didn't know it took oil!
When the firebricks in the high pressure boilers' firebox fronts kept falling down every WEEK and being replaced by the same contractor week after week to the tune of $3500 a shot, I got suspicious of why this was only lasting one week and why we had to contend with the heat being off in the winter for 2-3 days at a time while they fixed it, so I climbed inside one night on my shift to look.
I discovered this boiler contractor had been using a 1/8" thick 2x2 angle iron 6-8 feet long as THE support for the firebrick wall 6' by 1' high.
It was obvious even to me, a 19 year old kid that the heat was causing the angle iron to fail.
I went to the landlord's agent and suggested they have the bricks replaced in an arch configuration and getting rid of the angle iron. That was done and the bricks never collapsed again.

I learned a LOT by watching workers, contractors and tradesmen working, asking lots of questions, observing, and by doing, I'm no expert by any means, I don't have all the answers but I'm also not some clueless newbie who can't wire up basic circuits, replace plumbing, a roof etc either!

Not to derail the OP's thread any further now, hopefully he will come back with more information and together we help solve his problem, or at least find out exactly what the problem WAS!

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Moderator here----This thread is to long for me to figure out who is causing the thread to derail---

Remember, we are here to help the OP find a solution to his problem-----let's stay focused on the prize?----
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Beleve it or not there is another forum here that does about as much arguing also. Maybe some of you fellows have a memory about like mine so I thought a reminder would be nice about now.

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