Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Electrical

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 04-20-2013, 11:27 PM   #16
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Nashua, NH, USA
Posts: 6,932
Share |
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Current going to earth can cause your electric bill to increase.

You need to find out where the current is getting onto the earthing system and repair that. Most likely in a defective light fixture or appliance.

It should not be necessary to water the ground rod except for use of certain radio equipment or test equipment that uses the earth as part of its antenna system. Under normal conditions, current should not be flowing in any of the earthing wires.

To the OP: Does your house have grounded (3 prong) receptacles? Have you done tests to see whether they are correctly wired?

__________________
Stop wasting time re-adjusting the pattern. Have several lawn sprinklers, one for each pattern.

Last edited by AllanJ; 04-21-2013 at 06:28 AM.
AllanJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 06:39 AM   #17
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by RWolff View Post
Hmm, just had a thought- if there has been very little rain and the soil around that pipe/rod is real dry, that can cause some issues, soil is moist, damp or wet and conducts electric, but soil turned to dust and sand from long term drought isn't going to conduct very well at all, is the soil around there real bone dry from a lack of rain?
Actually, I cannot see the pipe that goes into soil, people have been so dumb here, they'd the pipe covered totally with cement pavement..I only see the wire that goes into the cement floor..green earth connected to the metal pipe is the standard here, so I guess the same goes under the cement...
This area receives year-round rainfall..and the conductivity of the land seems to be high cos lot of lightening strikes takes place. The soil is full of gravel, iron oxides...
kelumpj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 06:59 AM   #18
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanJ View Post
Current going to earth can cause your electric bill to increase.

You need to find out where the current is getting onto the earthing system and repair that. Most likely in a defective light fixture or appliance.

It should not be necessary to water the ground rod except for use of certain radio equipment or test equipment that uses the earth as part of its antenna system. Under normal conditions, current should not be flowing in any of the earthing wires.

To the OP: Does your house have grounded (3 prong) receptacles? Have you done tests to see whether they are correctly wired?
I dont understand the following line..

To the OP: Does your house have grounded (3 prong) receptacles? Have you done tests to see whether they are correctly wired?

Whats OP, What are grounded receptacles? How can I check if they are correctly wired?

Now that the earth is common to all the appliances right? So the same problem should occur with other appliances such as iron, refrigerator etc? I plugged them in and they dont give any shock?
kelumpj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 09:14 AM   #19
Electrical Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 725
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


OP means "original poster"

We were wondering if the electrical outlets in your house have three prongs/holes or two prongs/holes.

I wonder if you could find a link to what your electrical outlets look like and post it to the forum?
Kyle_in_rure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 02:54 PM   #20
Architectural Sculptor
 
RWolff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: USA, Midwest
Posts: 765
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by kelumpj View Post
Actually, I cannot see the pipe that goes into soil, people have been so dumb here, they'd the pipe covered totally with cement pavement..I only see the wire that goes into the cement floor..green earth connected to the metal pipe is the standard here, so I guess the same goes under the cement...
This area receives year-round rainfall..and the conductivity of the land seems to be high cos lot of lightening strikes takes place. The soil is full of gravel, iron oxides...

Ohhhh.... so the soil around that rod/pipe is actually paved over with concrete? well it may or may not be related to your problem, but it seems worthwhile to at least check it out and see if that rod/pipe is doing what it should be doing, if it doesn't have a good contact because the soil is dry around it, it may as well not even be there if you know what I mean.

I'm not sure lightning and observations of it's striking the earth around there can really determine the soil is a good conductor and thus "moist enough" to work properly all the time with your rod/pipe.

There shouldn't be current going into that rod/pipe unless there's a problem, and if there is current going into it you could get a shock from it.
If there is current going into it and it's not in good contact with moist soil, then you have problems, so when you get this checked out, that would be one part that should be looked at carefully.
Allanj's comments sound right to me, maybe some appliance is defective and there's a loose wire or short and your rod/pipe which is now under a concrete pavement is in soil that has dried out enough (or the rod corroded) and it's not making good contact.
It will be interesting to hear what you find out the actual cause is.

Last edited by RWolff; 04-21-2013 at 02:58 PM.
RWolff is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to RWolff For This Useful Post:
avengerki (11-23-2013)
Old 04-21-2013, 04:36 PM   #21
E2 Electrician
 
stickboy1375's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Litchfield, CT
Posts: 4,941
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by RWolff View Post
maybe some appliance is defective and there's a loose wire or short and your rod/pipe which is now under a concrete pavement is in soil that has dried out enough (or the rod corroded) and it's not making good contact.
What on earth (no pun) would a GEC have to do with what the OP is describing?
stickboy1375 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to stickboy1375 For This Useful Post:
mpoulton (04-21-2013)
Old 04-21-2013, 09:16 PM   #22
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle_in_rure View Post
OP means "original poster"

We were wondering if the electrical outlets in your house have three prongs/holes or two prongs/holes.

I wonder if you could find a link to what your electrical outlets look like and post it to the forum?
They are 3-hole ones of course. L, N and E....
kelumpj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 09:17 PM   #23
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by stickboy1375 View Post
What on earth (no pun) would a GEC have to do with what the OP is describing?
GEC???
kelumpj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 09:20 PM   #24
E2 Electrician
 
stickboy1375's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Litchfield, CT
Posts: 4,941
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by kelumpj View Post
GEC???
GEC = Grounding Electrode Conductor

It's the conductor that attaches to any of the available Grounding Electrodes at a structure, i.e. ground rods, water main, ufer, etc... but they play very little role in an electrical systems functionality....


I really should have written Grounding Electrode, since the conductor wasn't the topic, but rather the ground rods.
stickboy1375 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 09:53 PM   #25
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


I turned off the main switch and checked the computer casing if it had any shock.... There was NO current.

Then I turned off each of the circuits through fuse/service box or the miniature circuit breaker...all the others were ok except the one that is linked to the circuit that supplies current for the computers..When I was pulling the switch down, there was a spark came through the switch...most of the time when I turn the computers on, this particular switch turns off...I then have to manually turn it on, I have connected 2 computers, one subwoofer, modem, printer and sometimes phone charger to same outlet..I first thought I was drawing too much current from the same outlet and which was why the switch was going off...this doesnt happen always though...

For your info am attaching some shots of them...even I get this shock through USB ports, I couldnt even touch my phone when I was plugging it into USB port to upload pics...

Ithink that particular fuse/switch in the box is faulty, may be the L is touching E inside, the Earth attached to the box's frame right?



The sparking switch is the one to the right of the red indicator..



External meter with service fuse.



Earth wire that goes into concrete.



Power outlet for PCs..3-hole one...

Last edited by kelumpj; 04-21-2013 at 09:58 PM.
kelumpj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 10:00 PM   #26
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by stickboy1375 View Post
GEC = Grounding Electrode Conductor

It's the conductor that attaches to any of the available Grounding Electrodes at a structure, i.e. ground rods, water main, ufer, etc... but they play very little role in an electrical systems functionality....


I really should have written Grounding Electrode, since the conductor wasn't the topic, but rather the ground rods.
Thanks for the explanation...

And sorry for the first pic being vertical....imageshack having some issue, didnt allow me to orient that pic...you guys gonna have hard time viewing it...u could sleep n see :P

I should be able to replace that faulty fuse in the service box right, I have seen removed switches of that kind before..

Last edited by kelumpj; 04-21-2013 at 10:04 PM. Reason: Adding info..
kelumpj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 01:29 AM   #27
Architectural Sculptor
 
RWolff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: USA, Midwest
Posts: 765
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
kelumpj
I see from the picture you posted where the wire goes.


Quote:
Allanj
Current going to earth can cause your electric bill to increase.

You need to find out where the current is getting onto the earthing system and repair that. Most likely in a defective light fixture or appliance.

It should not be necessary to water the ground rod except for use of certain radio equipment or test equipment that uses the earth as part of its antenna system. Under normal conditions, current should not be flowing in any of the earthing wires.
Someone else posted:

Quote:
Sounds like you have no bond between neutral and ground at your service, and you have a ground fault somewhere on the system. As a result, your "grounded" metal is electrified and you have lots of current flowing into your ground rod all the time

Quote:
well it may or may not be related to your problem, but it seems worthwhile to at least check it out

There shouldn't be current going into that rod/pipe unless there's a problem, and if there is current going into it you could get a shock from it.
If there is current going into it and it's not in good contact with moist soil, then you have problems, so when you get this checked out, that would be one part that should be looked at carefully.

Last edited by RWolff; 04-22-2013 at 01:55 AM.
RWolff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 06:45 AM   #28
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Nashua, NH, USA
Posts: 6,932
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by kelumpj View Post
Iall the others were ok except the one that is linked to the circuit that supplies current for the computers..When I was pulling the switch down, there was a spark came through the switch...most of the time when I turn the computers on, this particular switch turns off...I then have to manually turn it on, ...
Unplug some of the computers and stuff and then try this switch (breaker?) again. I still suspect that current is leaking to the earthing wires and into the earth from inside one of the pieces of equipment that has a 3 prong plug.

If your neutral was compromised and current was using the earthing system as an alternate route, then your electric bill would not increase noticeably and also you would notice dimming and brightening of lights and erratic operation of equipment. The preceding can be damaging to equipment.

Your bill increased because much additional current was being used, possibly just short circuiting from a hot wire to an earthing wire or a surface or item that was earthed, enough to trip the breaker some of the time (when there is a lot of legitimate usage) but not a dead short that trips the breaker immediately every time. Note that noticeable or considerable heat can be generated along this path of unwanted current flow at any point where there is considerable resistance.

Fault -- Unwanted touching of wires or parts allowing an unwanted current flow (can be small or large) to occur.
__________________
Stop wasting time re-adjusting the pattern. Have several lawn sprinklers, one for each pattern.

Last edited by AllanJ; 04-22-2013 at 06:54 AM.
AllanJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 06:56 AM   #29
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by RWolff View Post
I see from the picture you posted where the wire goes.


Someone else posted:

kelumpj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2013, 08:25 AM   #30
Architectural Sculptor
 
RWolff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: USA, Midwest
Posts: 765
Default

Electrical shock in the earthing..Heavy Electricity Bills


Quote:
Originally Posted by kelumpj View Post
Don't worry kelump, someone else didn't bother to actually read my earlier post, it all makes sense as a re-cap response to this:

Quote:
"What on earth (no pun) would a GEC have to do with what the OP is describing?"

RWolff is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
bad, bill, earthing, electricity, hike


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My first electrical shock - MAN, am I dumb. Leah Frances Safety 38 09-28-2011 09:34 AM
electrical earthing karicheti72 Electrical 1 12-27-2010 08:47 AM
Question about electrical shock chewing cords sljacobs Electrical 12 02-25-2010 09:36 AM
Slight electrical current in bathroom faucet water + other unusual electrical events story Electrical 9 09-16-2009 10:28 PM
Electrical box replace,addiitions, city permits and looking for an electrician ramchy Electrical 3 08-02-2009 11:12 AM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.