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Old 06-23-2012, 03:37 PM   #1
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So I am wiring up my basement. I have a GE electrical box and when I am done it will be very full. My question is on the right side I have the white wire hookup. The other side I have the ground wire hookup. I have the breakers in the middle. My question isÖ

The white wire are just as the ground is installed, they install into a hole which a crew is forced against the wire to connected it and hold it in place. This is also how the ground is done on the other side. The ground side is up to two wires in one location under one screw. I need a few more spots for the white side. Am I able to do the same thing on the side that the white wires all connect to? Can I double up a couple of those white wires and place them under the same screw?

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So I am wiring up my basement. I have a GE electrical box and when I am done it will be very full. My question is on the right side I have the white wire hookup. The other side I have the ground wire hookup. I have the breakers in the middle. My question isÖ

The white wire are just as the ground is installed, they install into a hole which a crew is forced against the wire to connected it and hold it in place. This is also how the ground is done on the other side. The ground side is up to two wires in one location under one screw. I need a few more spots for the white side. Am I able to do the same thing on the side that the white wires all connect to? Can I double up a couple of those white wires and place them under the same screw?
No, you can not.

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As explained, no, you can't double up on the whites....

I would move some of your grounds up and double those up....

That will free up some holes for neutrals.
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I cant move the grounds up they are on the other side and all linked. Arenít the ground and white supposed to be separate?
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As explained, no, you can't double up on the whites....

I would move some of your grounds up and double those up....

That will free up some holes for neutrals.

if this is a sub-panel, the OP must keep the neutrals separate from the grounds.
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You may have to try and find a bigger ground/neutral bar. Stupid thing is alot of panel manufactures don't make their ground/neutral bars with enough holes.
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This is the panel. All the white wires are on the right all copper are on the left.
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It would seem my only option is to pigtail a couple wires to complete the connections. Is that allowed in the nec 2011 code? Can i do that?
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Is that a green screw in the bottom of the left bus? Is there a breaker or disconnect ahead of this panel?
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Is that a green screw in the bottom of the left bus? Is there a breaker or disconnect ahead of this panel?
Just above that screw you are talking about, is that something that connects the two bars on each side of the panel.

I have never installed, and rarely even see GE panels so I am not familiar with them.
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Is that a green screw in the bottom of the left bus? Is there a breaker or disconnect ahead of this panel?
Yes on the left bottom of that left bus is a green screw. what does that mean?

I do have a set of 4 big breakers/main breakers up at the top.

So i tested the ground and white wire and it does appear they are connected. So i would be able to if i understand correctly hook the rest of my white onto the ground side of the panel.
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I've tried to enhance your photo for clarity...



And per GE docs:



...indeed it looks like your neutral/ground bars are tied, making both bars one and of the same electrically.
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So i am going to use my exstra holes you see on the left for the other few white wires i have to install since the right side is full. That is good. Yes that looks just like my box.

Is the green screw to the left mean something ?

So i will do that and cross my fingers we were not mistaken and i dont die.
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The green screw should be the bonding screw - it connects the ground bar with the enclosure, essentially making the box grounded as required.
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So i am going to use my exstra holes you see on the left for the other few white wires i have to install since the right side is full. That is good. Yes that looks just like my box.

Is the green screw to the left mean something ?

So i will do that and cross my fingers we were not mistaken and i dont die.
You are not going to die ... the green sticker is the inspection tag left by the electrical inspector. Green means good ... it also appears this panel is your service equipment or the location where the first means or only means to disconnect power to all the electrical serving your home is located. Neutral and ground are bonded here and your panel verifies that with the green main bonding screw and metal tie bar between bus bars.

It does not matter where you put or terminate your neutral and ground wires. Either bus is fine ... keep the whites in a terminal hole by themselves as mentioned.

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