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Old 02-08-2013, 08:54 PM   #1
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Ok so first time poster here. First let me say I realize there are some things I should not do myself. However the majority of what I want and need to do I can handle. I just want help doing it as safely as possible and make sure it's to code. Next let me state that I checked with my city and they go by 2008 NEC code.

This is all in a house I just bought. So my questions are:

1) What are the issues with wiring in my basement being ran together in the corner underneath the joists like this?


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2) What's the best way to go about cleaning it up?

3) From other posts I think I can rerun wires like this below directly through the joist across the air flow. It's just a return.

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4) this is the one that I'm fuzzy on. This is a regular duct and a few are touching it and some are not. Is this against code and if so, how should I rerun it?



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5) Finally this is similar to the first one but runs along the main brave through the middle of the basement ceiling.

Thanks and any help is appreciated.

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Picture 2 & 3 need some cleanup, but the other two see nothing really wrong, other than they went a little low on the holes that they bored, to get around the 8" duct work.

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1) What are the issues with wiring in my basement...
Nothing that a drop a ceiling won't hide.

Unless/until you make plans to remodel down there...
just don't hang laundry off the cables.
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The cables in the corner need to be strapped properly or run through joists. You can just staple them to the bottom if you're not going to finish the ceiling. You can go through the return perpendicular to the run. Wires under the duct and touching it are fine.
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Wires under the duct and touching it are fine.
I do not believe that those wires can touch that duct..... Any vibration in that duct will eventually wear through the outer sheathing.
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The cables in the corner need to be strapped properly or run through joists. You can just staple them to the bottom if you're not going to finish the ceiling. You can go through the return perpendicular to the run. Wires under the duct and touching it are fine.
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I do not believe that those wires can touch that duct..... Any vibration in that duct will eventually wear through the outer sheathing.
There is no code violation with the cables touching the duct.
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[QUOTE="wowjason"]Ok so first time poster here. First let me say I realize there are some things I should not do myself. However the majority of what I want and need to do I can handle. I just want help doing it as safely as possible and make sure it's to code. Next let me state that I checked with my city and they go by 2008 NEC code.

This is all in a house I just bought. So my questions are:

1) What are the issues with wiring in my basement being ran together in the corner underneath the joists like this?

2) What's the best way to go about cleaning it up?

3) From other posts I think I can rerun wires like this below directly through the joist across the air flow. It's just a return.

4) this is the one that I'm fuzzy on. This is a regular duct and a few are touching it and some are not. Is this against code and if so, how should I rerun it?

5) Finally this is similar to the first one but runs along the main brave through the middle of the basement ceiling.

Forgot to add these pics. The first one is another pic for question 1 and the second pic is the one I forgot to include for question 5.



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If you want to clean things up, you can use Stacking Cable Staples http://www.lowes.com/pd_80457-1781-M...7C1&facetInfo= or figure Derating if you really want to get technical, and figure out that bundle, and what is safe to keep as is, but secure safely.
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Picture #4 is a code violation. One way of cleaning all up is to use running boards as shown below.

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If an inspector were inclined he could probably argue 'poor workmanship' as addressed in the NEC to require a cleanup of what you have shown. At any rate it needs to be cleaned up and a few code violations corrected. I like what Electures posted as a good way to secure the romex cables.

In general the NEC requires bored holes to be 1 1/4 inches from the face of framing members to avoid any nail penetrations if ceiling or walls are ever finished. If not then nail plates are required on the face to prevent a nail from being driven in that location. 4ft is the distance before a staple or other support is required for the nm b in most cases. It would be hard to cover every possibilty and exception. Common sense helps.....

If your cold air returns are joist cavities enclosed for that purpose by duct metal on the bottom faces of those joists you can pass perpendicular thru them with your nm. I just would not get to crazy passing multiple cables thru a single cold air return. Some inspectors do not like it period. Be careful of bundling multiple cables with wire ties. I'm not a fan of stackers but they do offer nice spacing of the cables when running parallel to framing members. Here is a image off the internet as an example only there are some minor issues but you get the idea. Notice the large nm cable is just stabled to the face of the joists which is allowed if the cable meets specifications in the NEC.
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Any vibration in that duct will eventually wear through the outer sheathing.
Maybe in 629 years.
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In the end it will all look like this ......
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Wow! That's pretty. : - )
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1) What are the issues with wiring in my basement ...?
The issues are almost all "cosmetic"... not functional.
I think one might be an actual code error... depending.

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2) What's the best way to go about cleaning it up?
To what end?

If/when you do some remodeling work down there
then you can go back and catch all this stuff.

Until then? leave sleeping dogs lie.
Surely you can find some work to do around the house
that actually needs doing. Right?

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