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Fieldy1123 10-06-2012 08:05 AM

Electric outlet / light on same switch
 
Hi
I have a switch that controls a light fixture, and an outlet. What I am trying to do is keep the outlet hot and use the switch for just the light. The switch wiring is as follows, black wire pushed into plug, another black wire on screw next to plug. Red wire pushed into bottom plug with no wire on the screw. 2 white wires connected with cap.
So I took the black wire off of top screw put it with red wire now the light and outlet are always on. It appears to me that the black wire on the screw goes to both the light and outlet, and the black in the plug does nothing. I did not look at the outlets wiring itself. Does this sound like a configuration anyone has seen before, and is it possible to separate the outlet from the switch without totally rewiring the circuit?

Gac66610 10-06-2012 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fieldy1123 (Post 1024944)
Hi
I have a switch that controls a light fixture, and an outlet. What I am trying to do is keep the outlet hot and use the switch for just the light. The switch wiring is as follows, black wire pushed into plug, another black wire on screw next to plug. Red wire pushed into bottom plug with no wire on the screw. 2 white wires connected with cap.
So I took the black wire off of top screw put it with red wire now the light and outlet are always on. It appears to me that the black wire on the screw goes to both the light and outlet, and the black in the plug does nothing. I did not look at the outlets wiring itself. Does this sound like a configuration anyone has seen before, and is it possible to separate the outlet from the switch without totally rewiring the circuit?

Have you pulled the switch out, to see what on it?

k_buz 10-06-2012 08:13 AM

Turn off power. Take the red wire off the receptacle. Take the two blacks off the receptacle. Splice two pigtails with the two black wires. Run one pigtail to each of the screw terminals on the receptacle. The screws you run the pigtails to should be brass not silver. Cap off the red wire with a wire nut. Turn power back on.

Fieldy1123 10-06-2012 08:18 AM

Sorry fairly amatuer here. When you say receptacle do you mean switch or outlet? And can you explain the pigtails? BTW I have pulled out the switch, the wiring I described is on the switch not the outlet.

k_buz 10-06-2012 08:21 AM

Receptacle=Outlet
Switch=switch

Pigtail

Gac66610 10-06-2012 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by k_buz (Post 1024947)
Turn off power. Take the red wire off the receptacle. Take the two blacks off the receptacle. Splice two pigtails with the two black wires. Run one pigtail to each of the screw terminals on the receptacle. The screws you run the pigtails to should be brass not silver. Cap off the red wire with a wire nut. Turn power back on.

This is very well explained.( and may be the easiest way to accomplish task)

My thought was to take the red off the screw terminal of switch and move it to the other screw terminal, of course this is assuming they are not pigtailed in the switch.

Fieldy1123 10-06-2012 08:40 AM

So I opened the receptacle and this is what I see top silver screw white wire. Bottom silver screw white and black wire, top brass screw red wire bottom brass white wire. In the box there is 2 black wires capped together.

Gac66610 10-06-2012 08:47 AM

Is the receptacle half switched or both top and bottom switched?

Fieldy1123 10-06-2012 08:49 AM

Both top and bottom switched

Gac66610 10-06-2012 08:53 AM

Just re-read your OP, I missed you saying the switch and didn't register what wires were moved.(sorry)
Try moving the other black wire on the switch.
That should provide you with requested results.

Fieldy1123 10-06-2012 09:02 AM

Tried switching the other black wire. Made no change outlet still switched with light.

Gac66610 10-06-2012 09:06 AM

Can you attach pictures of receptacle and switch?
Maybe the wiring at the light fixture as well.

Fieldy1123 10-06-2012 09:27 AM

Nope but I can email them to you. I'm on my iPhone it won't let me attach photos.

andrew79 10-06-2012 09:53 AM

When he says plug he's talking about a backstab connection. The red is the always hot at the switch. Find the black that controls the plug(receptacle). Backstab connections are terrible so take the red wire at the switch and the black wire at the switch that travels to the receptacle and wirenut them together. Pigtail out to the terminal screw on the switch. The other black which is the one that travels to the light goes on the other terminal screw of the switch. Leave receptacle wiring as it originally was.

hammerlane 10-06-2012 10:24 AM

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Is the receptacle in the same box as the switch? The wiring diagram attached will accompish what you want done which is receptacle always hot and the light switched.

Grounds are not shown for ease of drawing,


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