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Old 11-01-2011, 07:21 PM   #16
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PLEASE stop giving electrical advice. You are obviously not a professional and really don't know what you are talking about.

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THIS is your answer.

DO NOT change the receptacle, unless you are 100% certain you have a ground conductor as well as the required neutral. Four wires total.
I agree.

Remember to reattach bonding strap in the dryer.
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The store where you bought the dryer, or any hardware store or big box will have the cord that you need.

I bought them from my father's lady friend. They're almost two years old, still under warranty though. Thanks bud but what's the final conclusion, change to a three wire cord, dropping the ground internally from appliance I'd presume, or change the receptacle and not use the non existing ground?

I'm most definitely not helping the landlord out and pulling in a new wire so something is going to be missing regardless.
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CORD and reattach bonding strap. This is specifically allowed in 250.140.

250.140 Frames of Ranges and Clothes Dryers. Frames
of electric ranges, wall-mounted ovens, counter-mounted
cooking units, clothes dryers, and outlet or junction boxes
that are part of the circuit for these appliances shall be
connected to the equipment grounding conductor in the
manner specified by 250.134 or 250.138.

Exception: For existing branch-circuit installations only
where an equipment grounding conductor is not present in
the outlet or junction box, the frames of electric ranges,
wall-mounted ovens, counter-mounted cooking units,
clothes dryers, and outlet or junction boxes that are part of
the circuit for these appliances shall be permitted to be
connected to the grounded circuit conductor if all the following
conditions are met.

(1) The supply circuit is 120/240-volt, single-phase, 3-wire;
or 208Y/120-volt derived from a 3-phase, 4-wire, wyeconnected
system.
(2) The grounded conductor is not smaller than 10 AWG
copper or 8 AWG aluminum.
(3) The grounded conductor is insulated, or the grounded
conductor is uninsulated and part of a Type SE serviceentrance
cable and the branch circuit originates at the
service equipment.
(4) Grounding contacts of receptacles furnished as part of
the equipment are bonded to the equipment.
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Agreed. I should have been more clear when I initially said to change the cord, but now you have the facts.
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I just talked to my bud, he said the same thing. Change the cord and attach the bonding strap, ground to neutral.

Said it's not legal but it's *acceptable to change the receptacle and bond it in there, same difference.

*cheaper.

Told me best to change the cord and keep in compliance which is what I'll do.

Thanks everyone for the help.
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Said it's not legal but it's *acceptable to change the receptacle and bond it in there, same difference.
It is not acceptable to change a properly wired dryer receptacle (3 or 4 wire) to match a dryer cord. Changing the dryer cord to match the receptacle is the only compliant option. Because it is cheaper is not an option.

Since you indicate you are changing the cord you have selected the correct (and compliant) method.
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It is not acceptable to change a properly wired dryer receptacle (3 or 4 wire) to match a dryer cord. Changing the dryer cord to match the receptacle is the only compliant option. Because it is cheaper is not an option.

Since you indicate you are changing the cord you have selected the correct (and compliant) method.

You didn't catch the "cheaper" bit. First and foremost my friend has been working as a full time electrician since the age of 16. He's been studying since the age of 17. Journeyman in his mid 20's, master by 29. Booming electrical business owner and operator by 30, been running that business for 5 years now. He got back yesterday from a week in Salt lake City and is now a certified lighting specialist and programmer of some sort, successfully brightening if you will, his knowedge and expansion of his company.

There is not an electrician's opinion on the face of this planet I trust more. If in his opinion wiring a hot to a ground is acceptable than it is.

He wouldnt' say "it's ILLEGAL" if it were not either. Thanks though.
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You also missed where I said "best friend."
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There is not an electrician's opinion on the face of this planet I trust more. If in his opinion wiring a hot to a ground is acceptable than it is.

He wouldnt' say "it's ILLEGAL" if it were not either. Thanks though.
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You friend is wrong. You do not install a 4 wire receptacle on a 3 wire system. As you have been told by several the correct method is to change the cord to a 3 wire cord and add the bond jumper on the dryer.
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Someone stab me in eyes with a dull pitchfork now, please.
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Friends are some of the worst places to get electrical advice.
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Maybe in your experience, not mine. You need better friends.

Has no one comprehended where it was stated that it was illegal. The only difference is where the bond would be, in the appliance or in the receptacle and the latter being illegal but would work the same. Not only in theory but in actuality but there's a reason for bonding in the receptacle being illegal.

The bit about him saying to change the cord and keep it compliant to NEC went right in one eye and out the other, huh?

Good grief.
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Maybe in your experience, not mine. You need better friends.
I didn't me mean silly. I don't need friends to give me electrical advice.
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