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Old 03-18-2008, 05:59 PM   #31
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Great a picture. Well it's a a cutler hammer ch it looks like. My first guess is that it should have a backfed double pole breaker as a main.. It would be nice to see it with the front cover removed but don't do this if you are uncomfortable with that.
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Great a picture. Well it's a a cutler hammer ch it looks like. My first guess is that it should have a backfed double pole breaker as a main.. It would be nice to see it with the front cover removed but don't do this if you are uncomfortable with that.
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He named the five double poles that are in that outside panel and the largest was the 60A for the sub panel. No main???
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Old 03-18-2008, 06:15 PM   #33
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Yep no main if he is correct. The sub has no main but that's ok the outside panel must have a main unless it is split bus. It is possible someone hung a main lug panel for the service equipment if so this needs to be corrected. This is not a meter main so I'm inclined to think this was done after the fact.
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What kind of welder is it and how many prongs are on the plug. I have 3 welders and they can't use the same recepticle, or feed.

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it's a lincoln and 4 prongs
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Yep no main if he is correct. The sub has no main but that's ok the outside panel must have a main unless it is split bus. It is possible someone hung a main lug panel for the service equipment if so this needs to be corrected. This is not a meter main so I'm inclined to think this was done after the fact.
what is a "main lug panel"
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what is a "main lug panel"
You have a main lug panel. It's a panel where the main connections go right down to the bus bars without a main breaker.
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Old 03-18-2008, 07:11 PM   #38
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Before I comment could you take a good picture of the area just below the breakers I'm not seeing any bus stabs.
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It is a 3 pole 4 wire grounding plug. Forget the hot water heater idea. Unless your hot water heater is 4 wired.

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Before I comment could you take a good picture of the area just below the breakers I'm not seeing any bus stabs.
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Ok you have a real big mess going on. This appears to be a modified panel board where the guts from another panel have been installed and the busses shortened by either cutting or some other method. And I'm not sure that isn't a jury rigged 3 phase bus insert. You must have a main and you don't.
At this point I think you need to call in an electrician to advise you.

Also if you have a 4 prong plug as Robert has mentioned either your welder is not 240 volts only or someone has the wrong cord or plug installed on it. If it does require a 4 prong plug then the water heater idea is out the window.

I'm sorry this went South so to speak but you have got a lot of issues to take care of and you need to get a pro in to fix it.

I've never seen anything like what you have there.

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I have seen some CH that did not have buss bars the entire lenght of the panel, but never that short. Most have been 2 slots.

Where do you turn off that panel from?
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There is no main and it isn't split bus so I'm not real sure what the heck he has there.
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Dangbat this is the most unuseal box i did see that for a quite a while.

however i dont know if you can find the breaker box number somewhere but i did look at my catalog to verify it and can you run the number by me ??


according to my catalog book it say CH12L200R that is a 12 space main lug outdoor verison unless someone swap the gut in there.

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However but if the OP have under 6 throw total on that breaker box then it dont need a main breaker.

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Well I didn't give the 6 throw rule a chance I guess but that makes sense in this case. Still it doesn't look right to me. Unless I'm blind it appears to be cut off to limit the # of breakers and I am sure the electrician was using the 6 throw idea when he did this. It works but to me it is a hack. Anyway thanks for getting my ship pointed back in the right direction.

I've never seen a panel with 12 spaces with that much unused area but I guess that must be the case. It still looks to me like somebody whacked off the bus assembly insert. I do notice that the service entrance looks newer. Why all the unused blank breaker knockouts in the cover? I'm more inclined to think it is a 30 space panel and the guy whacked off the busses.

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