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daltis 03-08-2012 06:44 PM

Dusk to dawn light
 
I have a dusk to dawn light that is not working. The bulb appeared to be blown. I installed a new bulb and it still does not come on. What would you recomend to check? What is the best way to check the sensor?

Signal Guy 03-08-2012 10:58 PM

make sure you have power to the unit.
usually, the photocell will fail in the always on position.
the easiest way to check the photocell is to cover it with tape. I usually just stick a glove over the large ones. it may take a few minutes for the photocell to turn on.
There should be 3 wires on the photocell. most likely, black, red, and white. The black should be always hot. The red should be hot when the photocell is on. The white should be connected to your neutral.
this is all assuming a 120V fixture/photocell.

frenchelectrican 03-08-2012 11:45 PM

Signal guy have right idea but let me add this part is that when you replace the bulb make sure they are matched up to the old one.

The most common way to kill the photocell is the power surge that useally toast them. ( even use wrong voltage will do it as well. )

Is your Dusk to Dawn luminarie is Mercury Vapour ( white/bleuish colour ) or High Pressure Soduim ( Orange colour ) or CFL ( Whiteish colour ) or Metal Halide ( useally whiteish colour with either a pink or bleu colour will show up <not much but just engough to noticed>)

Second thing do you have a wall switch that control this luminaire or not ?

If so you may want to make sure you have good power source before you get up there and do the testing.

Merci,
Marc

Signal Guy 03-09-2012 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by frenchelectrican
Signal guy have right idea but let me add this part is that when you replace the bulb make sure they are matched up to the old one.

The most common way to kill the photocell is the power surge that useally toast them. ( even use wrong voltage will do it as well. )

Is your Dusk to Dawn luminarie is Mercury Vapour ( white/bleuish colour ) or High Pressure Soduim ( Orange colour ) or CFL ( Whiteish colour ) or Metal Halide ( useally whiteish colour with either a pink or bleu colour will show up <not much but just engough to noticed>)

Good point, can't believe I missed that.

frenchelectrican 03-09-2012 01:01 AM

Signal Guy.,

For the photocells for the failure mode I know few will be stuck on mode when they go bad and few will not come on at all all it depending on which photocell you order it.

Most photocells I order them useally have luminaire be on in fail mode in most place but few are reversed ( common with large street luminaries )

Merci,
Marc

Signal Guy 03-09-2012 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frenchelectrican
For the photocells for the failure mode I know few will be stuck on mode when they go bad and few will not come on at all all it depending on which photocell you order it.

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. my experience is mostly with on-street lighting, so thats all I see.
A friend of mine always says that if I'm not careful, I'll learn something new every day. :-)

daltis 03-09-2012 04:31 PM

Thank you for the helpful information. Yes, it does have a wall switch and I do have voltage going to it. Is it possible to bypass the photo cell to test the lamp?

frenchelectrican 03-09-2012 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by daltis (Post 874286)
Thank you for the helpful information. Yes, it does have a wall switch and I do have voltage going to it. Is it possible to bypass the photo cell to test the lamp?

It possible depending on which type of photocell you have there.

For the button type as I will post the photo and the twistlock verison those two are most common style we used either North Americia side and European side.

Here the button photocell look like .,

http://www.costlesslighting.com/imag...on_apcw120.jpg

Now here the twistlockers look like.,

http://www.lightingsupply.com/media/...275BP_PREC.jpg

Just keep in your mind the twistlock will show few differnt style and shape but functionwise they are the same ( just pay attetion to the voltage rating for all photocell types.

Merci,
Marc

daltis 03-09-2012 08:07 PM

The type on the light I have is the twistlock. Thank you so much for the helpful information.

frenchelectrican 03-09-2012 08:15 PM

OK now we are getting somewhere.,

As one of the poster ( signal guy ) did suggest to use the dark gloves to cover the photocell that will take couple second up to couple minutes before they will turn the luminaire on.

For myself I keep a shorting cap with me some case it will be more than basic troubleshooting then I use the shorting cap. ( not very many place will stock the shorting cap for it but it justifed the cost if you do troubleshooting or the Luminarie do come with photocell but want to bypass it due it controled by timer so it do happend )

When you untwist it will turn a little probly about a eighth turn not very much turn but you will feel it.

But when you put it back on or replace you will have to make a note which way the Nord ( North ) is facing due the twistlocker will have one blade is larger than other two.

Hope that will help ya.

Merci,
Marc

daltis 03-09-2012 09:07 PM

If I remove the photocell and cover it with tape should I have continuity between the 2 "hot" blades?

frenchelectrican 03-09-2012 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by daltis (Post 874454)
If I remove the photocell and cover it with tape should I have continuity between the 2 "hot" blades?

Not really you need the power to get the sensor to read it right.

Unless it allready got a magic smoke builded up ( you can able tell if the whole thing is black inside or smell burnted.

It will be wise idea to pick a new photocell they are not that expensive IIRC about 10 Euros or so for a good one the cheaper one will run about 8 Euros keep in your mind it depending on where you get it from.

Merci,
Marc

daltis 03-09-2012 09:28 PM

I did notice that the photocell was black inside. Your information has been very helpful. Thank you.

Hardway 03-09-2012 11:20 PM

Don't forget to check the date on the new photo cell.

daltis 03-11-2012 07:43 PM

I replaced the photocell. I also found a wire inside of the light itself that was broken in two. I repaired the broken wire. I wrapped black tape around the photocell and checked the voltage at the light socket. I had 122 volts. When I installed the bulb it still would not come on. I replaced the bulb to be sure. The light is still not working. I am not sure what else to check since I have the proper voltage at the socket. Do you have any suggestions?


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