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Old 04-07-2010, 03:22 PM   #31
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With four I make an 'X' -- // crossed over by \\ -- this way, when you start to twist them they bundle together (if you do \\ with // on top and twist 'righty-tighty' the first thing that happens is it all falls apart). I find that with 4+ #12 I have to twist a half or so, open my linemans, reposition, and twist again to keep all four doing what they should. For me, this ends up as a sort of 'chewing' motion of the pliers. After two or three 'bites' the twist is usually stable enough to twist the rest without re-setting the pliers.

Go to Lowes (or wherever) buy some #12 cut it into a bunch of 12 inch lengths and sit down in front of the TV and start practicing. Twist three together, cut of the splice and repeat, twist four together, etc.

Like most things in life to do it right you have to do it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. This is a challenge for DIYers because we haven't done 10,000 twists so the muscle memory isn't there.

** Also, sometimes I just can't get splices to work (tired/frustrated/bad angle/whatever) sometimes you just have to cut it off and start over. Which is why it's so important you leave yourself enough slack...

Also, I'm a girl and have small hands. Small linemans work WAY better for me. I started re-wiring with my Dad's lineman's (and he was a Lineman) they are so big, I just end up with hand cramps and messy work. I'd bet a pro would laugh at me when I pull my girly ones out of my tool bag, but they work for me, and that's all that matters.

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With four I make an 'X' -- // crossed over by \\ -- this way, when you start to twist them they bundle together (if you do \\ with // on top and twist 'righty-tighty' the first thing that happens is it all falls apart). I find that with 4+ #12 I have to twist a half or so, open my linemans, reposition, and twist again to keep all four doing what they should. For me, this ends up as a sort of 'chewing' motion of the pliers. After two or three 'bites' the twist is usually stable enough to twist the rest without re-setting the pliers.

Go to Lowes (or wherever) buy some #12 cut it into a bunch of 12 inch lengths and sit down in front of the TV and start practicing. Twist three together, cut of the splice and repeat, twist four together, etc.

Like most things in life to do it right you have to do it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. This is a challenge for DIYers because we haven't done 10,000 twists so the muscle memory isn't there.

** Also, sometimes I just can't get splices to work (tired/frustrated/bad angle/whatever) sometimes you just have to cut it off and start over. Which is why it's so important you leave yourself enough slack...

Also, I'm a girl and have small hands. Small linemans work WAY better for me. I started re-wiring with my Dad's lineman's (and he was a Lineman) they are so big, I just end up with hand cramps and messy work. I'd bet a pro would laugh at me when I pull my girly ones out of my tool bag, but they work for me, and that's all that matters.
the last highrise building i was on we had a new apprentice who was female....5 feet tall and about 90lbs....and she put most of the guys to shame. You get used to the big pliers after awhile, but you never get used to seeing 5 feet 90 lbs throwing around a ten foot ladder with one arm
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With four I make an 'X' -- // crossed over by \\ -- this way, when you start to twist them they bundle together (if you do \\ with // on top and twist 'righty-tighty' the first thing that happens is it all falls apart). I find that with 4+ #12 I have to twist a half or so, open my linemans, reposition, and twist again to keep all four doing what they should. For me, this ends up as a sort of 'chewing' motion of the pliers. After two or three 'bites' the twist is usually stable enough to twist the rest without re-setting the pliers.

Go to Lowes (or wherever) buy some #12 cut it into a bunch of 12 inch lengths and sit down in front of the TV and start practicing. Twist three together, cut of the splice and repeat, twist four together, etc.

Like most things in life to do it right you have to do it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. This is a challenge for DIYers because we haven't done 10,000 twists so the muscle memory isn't there.

** Also, sometimes I just can't get splices to work (tired/frustrated/bad angle/whatever) sometimes you just have to cut it off and start over. Which is why it's so important you leave yourself enough slack...

Also, I'm a girl and have small hands. Small linemans work WAY better for me. I started re-wiring with my Dad's lineman's (and he was a Lineman) they are so big, I just end up with hand cramps and messy work. I'd bet a pro would laugh at me when I pull my girly ones out of my tool bag, but they work for me, and that's all that matters.
With 5 wires would you do the same thing but one side would just have one extra wire? Or do you use another technique for more than 4?

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I just hold the wires together & let the World revolve around me to tighten them
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With 5 wires would you do the same thing but one side would just have one extra wire? Or do you use another technique for more than 4?

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Oh, I've done five - I 'skin' them longer so I have more to work with then:
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Not all electrician twist wires and not all elcetricians point wire nuts up. Must be a local thing.
Yes! It's a local thing. Where all professionals (Those who are doing a professional job) reside. In all 50 (Or is it 51?!) States and10 Provinces (& Territories)!
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i'm with you pete. but ya gotta make them eat the wires too, i hear they have more fibre than just eating the nuts....simply amazed how far this thread has gone.... i twist, snip and screw then tape. how simple is that?

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I generally use stranded wire and do not twist them at all other than what the wirenut twists them.

In fact, when I do solid, I rarely twist them unless they fight me. When you twist the wire nut adequately, it will twist the wires. I often will simply squeeze the wires together to compact the bundle but don't generally twist them.

one thing I have found is using the proper sized wirenut is very important. I do not use the nuts to their max capacity per the chart that comes with them. When I reach towards the upper end of the fill chart, the next size up generally works better.


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The "Tape" part is not necessary. Unless you're dealing with old wires and fragile insulation!
and if I catch anybody taping the joints, I will use 3 rolls of 33+ to wrap you with. It makes for the nastiest mess, is not recommended by any dependable source, and does nothing for the joint.

Obviously the use spark plug listed is a repair of the insulation and is not to hold the joint together.

and what direction to point the nuts;

who cares? If installed properly, they are not coming off and I am not going to worry which way they point due to somebody else not being able to install them properly so they worry about them coming off.

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You would have a hard time finding anybody to take that on around here. Your cost of living must be lower than ours and considerably lower than Chicago's (the closest major metro area to me).
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I twist ('cause that's how Dad taught me to do it), but I don't tape wire nuts on. I agree with Nap = messy.

I used to never tape switches either because it's also messy - then I shorted a screwdriver against a metal box and a switch (yes, I'm an idiot). Now I tape switches.

And, because I was a bad girl... NEVER WORK HOT. NEVER WORK HOT. NEVER WORK HOT. NEVER WORK HOT. NEVER WORK HOT. NEVER WORK HOT. NEVER WORK HOT. NEVER WORK HOT.
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I used to never tape switches either because it's also messy - then I shorted a screwdriver against a metal box and a switch (yes, I'm an idiot). Now I tape switches.
I have actually had taping switches and receps spec's in a job; 2 wraps of black vinyl electrical grade tape.

I usually don't wrap devices though. That's messy for when you have to unwrap it to do some work.

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it's nice when you can. Not always possible. I always try to kill the power so it doesn't kill me. Been zapped a few too many times. 277 tends to hurt... a lot.
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ideal used to make a grey wire nut that a 5/8's nutdriver would fit on....it was spec'd as a size 33 but it would hold alot more than that...they've since introduced a rounded blue "canadian" version here. Wondering if they still have them in the U.S as they are a wingnut style and will twist the wires up better the any set of plyers will with less damage to the copper.They were advertised as universal and they weren't far off the mark. They'll hold on a single 14 for capping purposes and aren't strained with 4 number 12's.

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