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Old 04-30-2013, 08:50 PM   #1
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this is my dryer outlet. probably back in '79 when the house was built, this was acceptable, but now,it's likely not,especially since I'll be putting in a new dryer and I'll bet the plug will have 4 prongs. so,tell me "sparkys",am I going to have to run a four conductor cable to the panel or can I get away with the one already there?

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this is my dryer outlet. probably back in '79 when the house was built, this was acceptable, but now,it's likely not,especially since I'll be putting in a new dryer and I'll bet the plug will have 4 prongs. so,tell me "sparkys",am I going to have to run a four conductor cable to the panel or can I get away with the one already there?

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That was NEVER legal.

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First, that receptacle was not compliant, even back in 1979. IF you are willing to replace the wiring, use a 10/3 with a ground, and a 4-conductor receptacle (NEMA14-30R).

Second, even a new appliance can be equipped with a non-grounding 3-wire cord, which would be allowable to be used in an existing structure.
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That was NEVER legal.
Agreed, however I do recall that there were some jurisdictions that allowed the use of a 10/2 cable for such installations in those days ....
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Agreed, however I do recall that there were some jurisdictions that allowed the use of a 10/2 cable for such installations in those days ....
And they were wrong.... it never should have been allowed.
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First, that receptacle was not compliant, even back in 1979. IF you are willing to replace the wiring, use a 10/3 with a ground, and a 4-conductor receptacle (NEMA14-30R).

Second, even a new appliance can be equipped with a non-grounding 3-wire cord, which would be allowable to be used in an existing structure.
hmm...well,aren't ground and neutral tied together at the panel anyway? seems alot of hassle running a new 10/3.

anyway,this is just another reason to believe that the builder's entire family were inspectors and let him off the hook.
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hmm...well,aren't ground and neutral tied together at the panel anyway? seems alot of hassle running a new 10/3.
If only it were that easy...
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If only it were that easy...
well,for me it IS that easy since I'm not licensed and have to answer to an innspector.

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hmm...well,aren't ground and neutral tied together at the panel anyway? seems alot of hassle running a new 10/3.
I wish...

Do some research on why they are only bonded at the main panel (or should be at least). All downstream equipment should have the ground and neutral seperated.
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Type NM cable was not allowed to use the bare as shown, however SE cable was.

Since this was never correct it should be fixed.
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well,for me it IS that easy since I'm not licensed and have to answer to an innspector.

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why even waste everyones time in asking if its okay then?
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why even waste everyones time in asking if its okay then?
if you'll notice in the original post I asked which of 2 options I should take,not whether this is ok

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Love that when people come on, ask a question, get 50 of basically the same answer (I know this particular thread didn't have 50, but some do), and then say "well, I guess I understand why I SHOULD do it the way you all suggest, but I'm not going to..."

I guess we can tell ourselves that it's a good reference for anyone searching in the future.

Still kind of annoying.
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Love that when people come on, ask a question, get 50 of basically the same answer (I know this particular thread didn't have 50, but some do), and then say "well, I guess I understand why I SHOULD do it the way you all suggest, but I'm not going to..."

I guess we can tell ourselves that it's a good reference for anyone searching in the future.

Still kind of annoying.
I know, why even post the question if you dont give two ****s about the answer?
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if you'll notice in the original post I asked which of 2 options I should take,not whether this is ok

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Either way, if you knew which option you were going to choose, why even ask the question??

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