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Old 05-02-2011, 07:33 PM   #16
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I would talk the landlord into installing the proper outlet and say that you're even willing to pay for it.

If he wont go for it, well you need to wash clothes, so I would go with the sub panel idea. If you have access to the electrical panel (and nobody else does) I would turn the breaker off just hard wire it properly, if not then the plug in will work... from a practical/safe point of view. Code is a whole other issue, I could not help you there.

Basically have the sub panel wired/plugged into the stove plug. This sub panel would have a 40 amp breaker with a stove plug and a 30 amp for the dryer. You could most likely get away with using both at once, if not the 40 that feeds it will trip, so it's not a safety issue, more a practicality issue. But a single round turned on should be fine.

If you run wire use conduit. (guessing you don't want to start tearing out drywall and such)


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Old 05-02-2011, 07:33 PM   #17
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Whilst a lot of what you propose on a practicule level will work,
I think most electricains would be hesitant about this type of set up,
Mainly because it is not considered best practise.
Because electricains are ultimately liable for there
work should anything go wrong.
A 30a dryer on a 40a circuit might require a 30 fuse/breaker
for maximum safety.
What will the landlord say about these electrical modifications ?
What do the local electrical regulations allow ?
Please consider all these things before you go ahead !
Thanks I've considered them all. It is not something I am broadcasting to my LL. The 30a breaker was a precaution to insure more safety they are only $30 at Home Depot anyways.

The switch is my biggest concern to prevent her ever turning both on at the same time again. I guess I could make it so we could plug and unplug the stove to allow for the dryer but it would not be as neat.

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Old 05-02-2011, 08:20 PM   #18
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Yes in Ont. The switch as I under means OFF - Burner On (pump off) - Pump on (burner off). Wouldn't this type of switch work to select either my stove outlet or dryer outlet?

I totally realize this is not a code setup. But I know if done with proper components and wiring it would be safe 100%. How couldn't be? All that aside I need to know the how to and the safest possible.

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I don't think those switches are as you suggest. It makes no sense., how would you have the pump and burner on at the same time which is how you would normally use such an appliance. Most of the pressure washers I have seen over the years do not have a tank for the water but a coil that works as an on demand water heater.

and I'll be darned if I can find any actual description of those switches.
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I don't think those switches are as you suggest. It makes no sense., how would you have the pump and burner on at the same time which is how you would normally use such an appliance. Most of the pressure washers I have seen over the years do not have a tank for the water but a coil that works as an on demand water heater.

and I'll be darned if I can find any actual description of those switches.
You'd figure they'd put a better description of there function. I am still digging on how to do this. My wife needs her clothes as does the son. He will likely out grow them before there cleaned any ways... LOL he waks up bigger then when he went to bed. He becoming a beast... LOL

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In the US, major appliances, per the NEC must be on their own circuits......period.
That being said, a transfer switch, much like used for generator usage would work to switch loads. But I'm not suggesting you do it.
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In the US, major appliances, per the NEC must be on their own circuits......period.
That being said, a transfer switch, much like used for generator usage would work to switch loads. But I'm not suggesting you do it.
An electrician I spoke with in Lowes suggested this but it would have to be a manual one wouldn't it. I see the switch needing power in then power to one side while the other is off. Do generator switches do that?

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You'd figure they'd put a better description of there function. I am still digging on how to do this. My wife needs her clothes as does the son. He will likely out grow them before there cleaned any ways... LOL he waks up bigger then when he went to bed. He becoming a beast... LOL

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you joke but in all honestly, I grew 4 inches in height over summer vacation from school one year. If you are generous and consider it to be 90 days, that is almost a half inch every 10 days.

while I understand your dilemma, I really have a hard time suggesting anything that is likely illegal. We have a couple Canuck electricians around here. Hopefully they can help you out with a legit install. I really don't know CEC and anything I told you would only be a guess.

a transfer switch would do exactly what you are looking for a switch to do. It takes power (and typically that would be 2 legs (single phase) or 3 legs (3 phase) from one of two sources and connects it to a single feed out never allowing the two sources to be connected at the same time.

why can't you have a circuit installed? Any landlord I know would jump at the chance of having an improvement to the unit at no cost.
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you joke but in all honestly, I grew 4 inches in height over summer vacation from school one year. If you are generous and consider it to be 90 days, that is almost a half inch every 10 days.

while I understand your dilemma, I really have a hard time suggesting anything that is likely illegal. We have a couple Canuck electricians around here. Hopefully they can help you out with a legit install. I really don't know CEC and anything I told you would only be a guess.

a transfer switch would do exactly what you are looking for a switch to do. It takes power (and typically that would be 2 legs (single phase) or 3 legs (3 phase) from one of two sources and connects it to a single feed out never allowing the two sources to be connected at the same time.

why can't you have a circuit installed? Any landlord I know would jump at the chance of having an improvement to the unit at no cost.
LOL I am 52 with degenerative disc disease and in just over 10 yrs have lost over 2.5"... :-(

My landlord knows I have the washer/dyer unit but he was noy happy and wanted to charge me for more water. He didn't release it took 220 hook up. I didn't ask but you just know when someone will reply negative. If I ask and he says no to me then there be a prescient set and I will likely not even be able to run it. In Ontario he can't say I can't run one but I am sure I am limited at what I can do to make it work properly.

My concern is doing it safely. I see no reason why a properly rated plug into the existing outlet using proper rated wire with only one appliance ever drawing current would not be 110% safe? If anyone can explain to me that this would be a serious fire hazard and not work I would then reconsider this little effort.

If I use quality rated components then it will be safe. I just need to know how to wire it since I've never done anything like this. I am no dumby and would never put my family or anyone else at risk. If I had the tinyest hint it would I would abandon the project period.

Just looking for guidence know it may or may not meet code but again it is not permanent and I think that makes a difference?

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Like I said, stick around for the Canadian sparkys we have. Seems like they haven't been around much lately but they tend to show up when needed...kind of like Batman showing up at the right time.
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Let me say it this way. You have thought it out well. And the circuitry which you intend to apply to this situation would indeed work, it's a simple circuit and with a dbl pole dbl throw switch you could achieve what you wish to accomplish. That being said..I am 99.9% positive that what you want to do falls in to the classification of an illegal installation. If anything should happen electrical in that building, that installation will be suspect to any AHJ or insurance adjuster even if it had absolutely nothing to do with the issue. I strongly advise you against proceeding for a couple of reasons; one is I believe it is an illegal installation and the other is the liability associated with the installation. If the landlord won't accomodate you, I would suggest finding a different place to reside. Best of luck to you, and be safe.
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Let me say it this way. You have thought it out well. And the circuitry which you intend to apply to this situation would indeed work, it's a simple circuit and with a dbl pole dbl throw switch you could achieve what you wish to accomplish. That being said..I am 99.9% positive that what you want to do falls in to the classification of an illegal installation. If anything should happen electrical in that building, that installation will be suspect to any AHJ or insurance adjuster even if it had absolutely nothing to do with the issue. I strongly advise you against proceeding for a couple of reasons; one is I believe it is an illegal installation and the other is the liability associated with the installation. If the landlord won't accomodate you, I would suggest finding a different place to reside. Best of luck to you, and be safe.
Thanks Missouri but we just moved into here. :-)

I am leaning to the simple approach I always used of plug and unplug it with the stove. Only issue I have to extend the length of the pigtail due to position of the stove outlet. :-(
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Does your lease agreement allow such installations? I'd be willing to bet that even in Ontario, living in a leased apartment is way beyond what might be allowable under a "homeowners" type permit. If you burn something up (or down as may be the case), you can affect your neighbors much more easily than would be possible in the case of a single-family detached home.

Time to find another place to live if you really need an electric dryer in there, as the existing place does not seem to have sufficient facilities.....
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I am not sure if you mention to me the stackable units if both washer and dryer is wired for 240 volts then a single dryer circuit useally will work just fine I have work on European verison when both are on 240 volts circuits and it did not draw more than 24 maybe peak out at 26 amp the most.

Also I don't know why the landlord kinda bulked on that I have a good customer he is a landlord and he do called me from time to time without any question when he get the renter that required either 240 volts some case 415 volts dryer { it do show up once a bleu moon } but stove it is 50-50 split depending on supply set up.

But really I am not too crazy to keep plug in and unplug the stove receptale if something break in the stove recepale it will be much worst than the standard 120 volt recepale will do and I have see the aftermath with some of the receptale get damaged from loose clips which it hold the plugs { espcally after plug in and unplugged often } and the other thing is safety factor when you try to pull out the range receptale if not carefull.

Try to talk to the landlord and see what other legit options and please do not try to make any wiring modifactions without their permission and most case they will useally call in Electrician to deal with it.

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I ended up asking the LL if we paid for the 220 outlet for the dryer and also paid to have it removed when we move could we do it? He said no! :-(

I decided to sell our washer/dryer combo. We ordered a new washer (120v) from Futureshop and posted the combo for sale on Kiiji & UsedOttawa. At least we will be able to save 1/2 the laundromat price and figure teh washer will pay for it's self in no time.

Not a perfect solution but it it is solution. Thanks for the help all... :-)

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Well, if you like where you live seems like you did the smartest thing. Best of luck to you.

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