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Old 12-06-2009, 07:05 AM   #16
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The fact that the grounds and neutrals tie to the same bars is irrelevant.
You are assuming that the circuits originate at the service panel.

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Also, 10/2 NM cable is not, and was NEVER, legal for a 120/240v dryer circuit
You are assuming it is NM

I'm just sayin....






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You are assuming that the circuits originate at the service panel.
The OP clearly states the grounds and neutrals are connected in the panel. Why would I assume it is not the main panel?






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You are assuming it is NM
Yes. Yes I am.

The house is FIVE years old! When was the last time you saw #10cu SEU cable???
Personally, I never have.
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:12 PM   #19
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Whatever the case, don't lose any sleep over it.
You still can't seem to get to the other side of the wall with this attitude of leaving these non-compliant cables as is .


He asked if it was correct. The members were simply giving him the information that it was not.....correct.... It doesn't matter what you assume a 10/2 cable of any kind (even if it was seu) is a violation of the electrical code .. national and local and state. No 3 wire branch circuits after 1996. And I seriously doubt any inspector who knew this cable was being installed would allow it. I suppose maybe they were under the 1993 code?? But it wouldn't even have been compliant in 1993.. it ain't se type.

My advice... get the right 4 wire cable and the dryer cord changed to 4 wire plug nema 14-30P and receptacle changed to nema 14-30R and the dryer connected properly by removing the bonding strap to the metal frame from the neutral terminal. Then plug it in and not lose any sleep.....


How ya been doing anyway 220/221....
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You still can't seem to get to the other side of the wall with this attitude of leaving these non-compliant cables as is .


He asked if it was correct. The members were simply giving him the information that it was not.....correct.... It doesn't matter what you assume a 10/2 cable of any kind (even if it was seu) is a violation of the electrical code .. national and local and state. No 3 wire branch circuits after 1996. And I seriously doubt any inspector who knew this cable was being installed would allow it. I suppose maybe they were under the 1993 code?? But it wouldn't even have been compliant in 1993.. it ain't se type.

My advice... get the right 4 wire cable and the dryer cord changed to 4 wire plug nema 14-30P and receptacle changed to nema 14-30R and the dryer connected properly by removing the bonding strap to the metal frame from the neutral terminal. Then plug it in and not lose any sleep.....


How ya been doing anyway 220/221....
Why does it seems like you two have this same discussion every few months...
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Because I'm trying to convert him...or he is just laying a trap for me and I keep taking the bait....
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Because I'm trying to convert him...or he is just laying a trap for me and I keep taking the bait....
Good luck with that.
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You still can't seem to get to the other side of the wall with this attitude of leaving these non-compliant cables as is .


He asked if it was correct. The members were simply giving him the information that it was not.....correct.... It doesn't matter what you assume a 10/2 cable of any kind (even if it was seu) is a violation of the electrical code .. national and local and state. No 3 wire branch circuits after 1996. And I seriously doubt any inspector who knew this cable was being installed would allow it. I suppose maybe they were under the 1993 code?? But it wouldn't even have been compliant in 1993.. it ain't se type.

My advice... get the right 4 wire cable and the dryer cord changed to 4 wire plug nema 14-30P and receptacle changed to nema 14-30R and the dryer connected properly by removing the bonding strap to the metal frame from the neutral terminal. Then plug it in and not lose any sleep.....


How ya been doing anyway 220/221....
Nice to hear from ya, Stubbie! We all miss you here. @ least I do! Yes, you jump in occasionally. But it's not like it used to be. You would comment on a daily basis. the explicit diagrams were something to behold. !!!
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Nice to hear from ya, Stubbie! We all miss you here. @ least I do! Yes, you jump in occasionally. But it's not like it used to be. You would comment on a daily basis. the explicit diagrams were something to behold. !!!
Hey Spark Plug !

Yeah I am still going to be a little infrequent here but I have had some time to make a few replies. Been over on DIY NET some to giving the French electrician a hard time....Glad you are doing well. Maybe one of these days I'll be posting more but right now I need to just relax and spend more time getting things done around the property and doing my outdoors thing. All that time on the keyboard took its toll on me... Looks like you guys are doing a great job here...see ya
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You still can't seem to get to the other side of the wall with this attitude of leaving these non-compliant cables as is .


He asked if it was correct. The members were simply giving him the information that it was not.....correct.... It doesn't matter what you assume a 10/2 cable of any kind (even if it was seu) is a violation of the electrical code .. national and local and state. No 3 wire branch circuits after 1996. And I seriously doubt any inspector who knew this cable was being installed would allow it. I suppose maybe they were under the 1993 code?? But it wouldn't even have been compliant in 1993.. it ain't se type.

My advice... get the right 4 wire cable and the dryer cord changed to 4 wire plug nema 14-30P and receptacle changed to nema 14-30R and the dryer connected properly by removing the bonding strap to the metal frame from the neutral terminal. Then plug it in and not lose any sleep.....


How ya been doing anyway 220/221....
Hey Stubbie, thanks for the advice. But I have a question, this is the main panel, and the cable coming in from the meter has Nuetral and Ground tied together right were they go into the lugs (not sure if I'm explaining this right, but there is like a dual lug which has neutral and ground both connected to it and obviously together). So there is no bonding strap tying the metal box to the neutral. What would you recommend?
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most relatively new panels (20 years or so) have a bonding screw in the panel. It is in the neutral connection somewhere and if you screw it in, it bonds the tub to the neutral. It should be green.
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If you are saying that both the neutral and ground are in the same hole in the buss, that is incorrect. The neutral needs to be one wire per hole. Grounding conductors can typically share a hole if they are the same size and material. You would need to check the panel label.
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ey Stubbie, thanks for the advice. But I have a question, this is the main panel, and the cable coming in from the meter has Nuetral and Ground tied together right were they go into the lugs (not sure if I'm explaining this right, but there is like a dual lug which has neutral and ground both connected to it and obviously together). So there is no bonding strap tying the metal box to the neutral. What would you recommend?
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Stubbie was recommending removing the bonding strap in the dryer and changing to a 4 wire cord. Nothing to do with the main panel where the ground is attached to the neutral buss.

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