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Old 03-01-2010, 11:53 AM   #16
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Fishing in walls is allowed & not required to pull down sheetrock
We have a rough inspection here - before outlets are installed
If they are only doing 1 inspection then they want to see everything connected as far as I know

Might want to leave one cover off to show them wiring & have a screwdriver handy in case they want to pull an outlet out to inspect
May also want to see junction box where you tied into the circuit

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Old 03-01-2010, 11:58 AM   #17
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Altering any original plumbing and electrical placements, as well as walls, windows and doors, require permits.
You could, at least, face a fine in the future if something comes up and they realize you did work when you didn't go through all the hoops.

However, if you are just replacing what's there with something new - it's ok. These things are considered cosmetic. . . things such as: changing out the sockets and switch plate covers, upgrading built-in lighting, new appliances that are considered part of the house like the hot water heater, new surfaces like painted walls and flooring, new kitchen cabinets as long as the original plan was followed somewhat - these things don't matter when it comes to code and permits.
Even having to do repairs and replacing length of electrical work and plumbing are fine to do without a permit so long as you're not relocating fixtures and so forth.
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Old 03-01-2010, 12:59 PM   #18
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I've got one last question on this subject.

What all can I expect the inspector to look at since the garage is already sheetrocked?

I shouldn't expect to have to tear out drywall should I?

I just planned on feeding the wires from the attic down to where the outlets will go, so I don't have to take down any drywall. Will this be a problem for an inspector?
You are not required to support NM-sheathed cable when fished through a finished wall. As such, there is nothing behind the wall for the inspector to inspect and therefore no reason for the drywall to be removed.

Here are a few code references:

NEC 2009 300.4 (D) Exp. No.2
For concealed work in finished buildings, or finished panels for prefabricated buildings where such supporting is impracticable, it shall be permissible to fish the cables between access points.

NEC 2009 334.30 (B)(1)
Nonmetallic-sheathed cable shall be permitted to be unsupported where the cable is fished between access points through concealed spaces in finished buildings or structures and supporting is impracticable.
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Well, I called the city today. They said I had to "draw" a sketch of my garage and where I wanted to add my outlets and light fixtures. They would then review it and give me a permit. Cost of the permit will be based on the extimated value of the materials and my labor. Then after the work is performed, they will send out a person to "inspect" the work.

The whole thing sounds really janky to me. First of all, how are they going to grant me a permit based a hand sketched plan? I've never even done one before. He assured me it wasn't a big deal.

Lastly, how do they plan on inspecting my work afterwards, if everything is hidden behind drywall. After all, I am adding a few outlets and light fixtures to an existing garage wall.

Is this the typical permitting process? I'm starting to feel like I live in Mayberry
Same here in Austin, TX. Except in my case it was 7 pages of hand drawn plans since I am rewiring my whole house. Once you get the permit here they come and inspect the rough-in, and then they come back for a final inspection once the work is complete.

Go down to your local hobby store and pick up some drafting paper, colored pencils and a straightedge of some sort, it worked well for me this way.
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Old 03-01-2010, 07:43 PM   #20
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Your best bet is going to be to talk to a Santa Rosa Electrician or whatever city you're in, and ask. TYPICALLY, if you're pretty knowledgeable, and are ok with the risks that you're taking, it won't matter whether you apply for the permit or not. Repercussions of getting a permit. Paying for the permit, paying for the inspections, paying a licensed electrician to do the work(if you don't have an electrician's permit they WON'T let you do the work!), and then any other costs that may come up. Repercussions of not doing it, burning your house down, getting caught doing the work, then the city can and WILL shut off your power, and then force you to vacate(even in today's economy where they have put a 90 day hold on all evictions) IMMEDIATELY, because a house without electricity is not deemed safe to live in. I've done my own work, smaller circuits, putting in my hot tub and setting up a new circuit for it, but these were done under the table, what the city doesn't know they can't charge you for but it's a risk that you take. If a licensed electrician does the work, they can(most of the time) be held responsible. If you feel 100% willing to take the risks, it's not going to be too much of a big deal.

My city is not the strict at all. They don't even require a liscenced electrician does the work. And the cost of the permit is only $58, which includes coming out and inspecting the final product.

Also, getting caught doing the work is not a possiblity, nor would it be a problem if it was.
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Thanks for the input guys! In going through all my house documents today, I was able to find the electrical plan of the house. Basically all I have to do is mark where I plan on putting the new outlets and light fixtures. They said today that they would approve it on the spot and collect my $58. Then, once I complete the work, they will come out and "inspect" it, which I suspect will not be too in depth. Then, once they're satified, I'm good to go and have a clear conscience.
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Well, I called the city today. They said I had to "draw" a sketch of my garage and where I wanted to add my outlets and light fixtures. They would then review it and give me a permit. Cost of the permit will be based on the extimated value of the materials and my labor. Then after the work is performed, they will send out a person to "inspect" the work.

The whole thing sounds really janky to me. First of all, how are they going to grant me a permit based a hand sketched plan? I've never even done one before. He assured me it wasn't a big deal.

Lastly, how do they plan on inspecting my work afterwards, if everything is hidden behind drywall. After all, I am adding a few outlets and light fixtures to an existing garage wall.

Is this the typical permitting process? I'm starting to feel like I live in Mayberry
you should wish you live in Mayberry, lol
there your free to do what ya want. in Mayberry they know how to fix things lol
Just put it in there an ground it right, if its a violation, deal with it when you sell it, most inspectors will only check for ground an move on.
the city has their freekin hand out for everything we do.
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If you dont have a permit and the work later causes say a fire and the insurance company can prove it was due to incorrect installation of work without a permit, they would likely try to deny the claim.

There are multiple reasons the permitting and inspection process exists.

You cant bulldoze your house and then expect insurance to pay to rebuild it.

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I shouldn't expect to have to tear out drywall should I?
Well, you just might. Depends on the inspector.
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I got the permit and will doing the work this weekend. They said they will only come out for a final inspection once I complete the work. Seems like it is a pretty simple process after all and I'm glad I did it for insurance purposes.

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