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Old 06-11-2012, 08:34 PM   #16
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It was 2 separate permits I guess, one for the building of the pool and one for the electrical of the pool, I guess? Not to sure. I'm going to call my permit department again tomorrow and hopefully get more info. I do know I have to bring some things up to code for the pool. I'm just looking at it from a money stand point of if the bonding isn't there at all that's going to be very expensive to put in. But if it is there and just needs to be updated that will be different and hopefully less expensive. But all of you gave me good info on what to look for before throwing money into this place. Thank you!!!

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It wouldn't matter when bonding of the pool was effective as you are now going to be required to bring the pool electrical up to today's standards.

I haven't done one single pool in my 14 year career so I only know what I know from the NEC. I could easily see you having to prove ALL bonding including the pool shell.

I am confused how the pool passed inspection if the electrical didn't. That's like issuing an occupancy permit without passing the electrical inspection.

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Old 06-11-2012, 09:31 PM   #17
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It was 2 separate permits I guess, one for the building of the pool and one for the electrical of the pool, I guess? Not to sure. I'm going to call my permit department again tomorrow and hopefully get more info. I do know I have to bring some things up to code for the pool. I'm just looking at it from a money stand point of if the bonding isn't there at all that's going to be very expensive to put in. But if it is there and just needs to be updated that will be different and hopefully less expensive. But all of you gave me good info on what to look for before throwing money into this place. Thank you!!!
Your original post refers to equipotential bonding which was not a requirement in 1996. Contact the inspection agency and request copies of the inspection reports. The reports should indicate why the pool failed. The bonding requirements back in1996 involved a #8 Barr copper ran to specific pints on the pool. Get a copy of the 1996 NEC and look on article 680 under bonding. Good luck.
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I can't find anything online about whether this was a requirement or not. I've had 2 different answers now, one says it was a requirement and another says no it wasn't. My building permit guy just told me that the pool passed but the eletrical part did not pass.

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I can't find anything online about whether this was a requirement or not. I've had 2 different answers now, one says it was a requirement and another says no it wasn't. My building permit guy just told me that the pool passed but the eletrical part did not pass.
Equip potential bonding was not a requirement for pools in 1996.
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Equip potential bonding was not a requirement for pools in 1996.
As an inspector, are you saying that a 16 year old open permit will be allowed to meet code back in '96?
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I can only speak for New Jersey, but here since the permit was never finaled out it has to meet the requirements of the code on effect when it was issued. The real shame is that the enforcing agency involved here did not follow through. This pool should never have been allowed to be used. Fines should have been issued to obtain compliance.
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How long do you hold open a permit? Normal for around here is a year. I'm really not sure what happens if the work isn't completed. I do know some communities follow up to see why it hasn't been finaled, but if there is no good reason, I don't know what happens.

I have never heard of a permit open so long, this is 3 or 4 code cycles ago. I know that (if it were within my power) I would make the pool meet today's code. I know that is what would happen if there wasn't a permit pulled at all, and at this point it's basically the same thing.
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New Jersey has adopted legislation recently referred to as the "open permit act" which extended all open permits indefinitely. It is up to each enforcing agency to go after open permits. We start with violation notices and progress to fines and penalties. We constantly monitor open permits. A pool like this one should never have been allowed to be used.
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New Jersey has adopted legislation recently referred to as the "open permit act" which extended all open permits indefinitely. It is up to each enforcing agency to go after open permits. We start with violation notices and progress to fines and penalties. We constantly monitor open permits. A pool like this one should never have been allowed to be used.
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I wouldn't let money get in the way of allowing this pool to be operational; it's a safety concern, and if you buy this house, you should be ready to, at the very least, get rid of it, at the most, bring it up to 2011 Code.

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Its bank owned and the banks refuses to do any work on the house or make any repairs
Depending on state law, the bank may not be legally permitted to transfer title to the house until this is corrected. In Arizona, a home cannot be sold with a pool that doesn't comply with specific safety requirements.

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I can't find anything online about whether this was a requirement or not. I've had 2 different answers now, one says it was a requirement and another says no it wasn't. My building permit guy just told me that the pool passed but the eletrical part did not pass.

Sorry for the confusion, I said bonding was required, not an equipotentional bonding grid was not.... I should have been more clear on my intent. With that clear, if you needed to add this to the pool, you would only have to saw a small channel around the pools perimeter at 24" from the waters edge and install a #8 copper, that would me minor if this the deal breaker in buying the house... just my two cents of course. not sure where the pool equipment is located related to the pool.
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I wanted to add one more comment, even if everything goes through and you pass all the inspections, and the pool does not contain an equipotential bonding grid, if you ever incur these stray voltages, usually caused by the power company, you are still going to be stuck installing a equipotential bonding grid to mask these voltages... This is just something to think about.....
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The pool equipment is about 50 feet away from the pool.

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Sorry for the confusion, I said bonding was required, not an equipotentional bonding grid was not.... I should have been more clear on my intent. With that clear, if you needed to add this to the pool, you would only have to saw a small channel around the pools perimeter at 24" from the waters edge and install a #8 copper, that would me minor if this the deal breaker in buying the house... just my two cents of course. not sure where the pool equipment is located related to the pool.
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I have not been able to find this out. I'll have to look into this.

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