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Old 04-13-2009, 08:38 PM   #16
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That is how everyone does it around here and no one cries like you

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Its stupid, I agree. Make it accessible.

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I seem to recall that a dishwasher was supposed to have a visible, positive disconnect per NEC. Maybe I misunderstood? Anyway, when I installed my dishwasher I ran a dedicated 20 amp circuit through a 20 amp switch above the counter, then to the dishwasher. Probably overkill, but I do recall NEC has something to say about dishwashers. Somebody intimately familiar with NEC know for sure?
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Yes, the DW is required to have a disconnect, and this can either be cord and plug, or it can be a breaker lock. What good is an equipment disconnect if you have to remove the equipment to get to it? If you install a cord and plug, make it accessible.

On the other hand, most dishwashers I have installed were hard wired. I'll admit, I've never ever installed a breaker lock for them. Yes, I'm a violator! I just hope I don't do any prison time...
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Why use a cord and plug at all? Every DW I have installed had a J-Box in the front, right behind the kick plate with a 1/2" KO. NM right in. Fast, easy install and removal.

220/221, I do like the idea of putting the recept under the sink if you do use cord and plug.
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Sorry about this rant I feel coming on but WOW!


The OP (mavalentine) is asking for some fairly simple advice and might be looking for some encouragement. This is not a very difficult job for someone remotely confident about removing a cabinet and replacing it with a DW. The electrical could be done safely with some research and following the instructions from more experienced folks on this site with a little more detail about the existing electrical and plumbing. I understand the safety issues but this is a DIY forum. Think about it, crossing the street could result in death or injury and most fatal injuries in the home occur in the bathroom... Should we stay on the curb and go outside to pee? And getting a permit to install a DW... what's up with that. Iím all for permits but pretty soon we will be applying for permits to turn on the oven. Since we seem to be concerned about safety, what about the plumbing. A little backflow from an improperly installed discharge hose could make the entire neighborhood sick . Letís give mavalentine the best advice we can and let them decide if they are comfortable doing this job or hiring someone to do it would be a better option for them.

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Sorry about this rant I feel coming on but WOW!


The OP (mavalentine) is asking for some fairly simple advice and might be looking for some encouragement. This is not a very difficult job for someone remotely confident about removing a cabinet and replacing it with a DW. The electrical could be done safely with some research and following the instructions from more experienced folks on this site with a little more detail about the existing electrical and plumbing. I understand the safety issues but this is a DIY forum. Think about it, crossing the street could result in death or injury and most fatal injuries in the home occur in the bathroom... Should we stay on the curb and go outside to pee? And getting a permit to install a DW... what's up with that. I’m all for permits but pretty soon we will be applying for permits to turn on the oven. Since we seem to be concerned about safety, what about the plumbing. A little backflow from an improperly installed discharge hose could make the entire neighborhood sick . Let’s give mavalentine the best advice we can and let them decide if they are comfortable doing this job or hiring someone to do it would be a better option for them.

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I can appreciates where you are coming from. I too am all in favor of less regulation and more common sense. Unfortunately, we have a surplus of the former, and an extreme deficit of the latter.

The problem with your example is that most people have been walking and crossing streets for most of their lives. Very very few people have worked with and installed electrical equipment most of their lives. I'm all DIY. Experienced DIY. And by that, I mean, it is quite easy to explain to an auto mechanic how to install a DW. But it is quite a bit more difficult to explain the same to an accountant.

P.S.: It is called DIY Chatroom for a reason. There will be some chat before and even after the question has been answered.
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That is how everyone does it around here and no one cries like you
Dude, I'm not crying. I am simply pointing out that you gave him really stupid advice

If you want to keep doing things because "That's the way everyone around there does it", knock yourself out. I'm just here to tell you a better way to do it.

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