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mavalentine 04-12-2009 09:42 PM

Dishwasher install
 
I'm removing a cabinet and installing a dishwasher I think I know what I'm doing but the electrical part of it is kind of scary any advice

Leah Frances 04-12-2009 10:05 PM

Seriously, if you are genuinely scared by the electrical, hire someone to come do it. Or - go to the library, get online, start reading and learning until you feel comfortable.

Fear is not the right motivator for good electrical work.

mavalentine 04-12-2009 10:17 PM

I'm not saying I've never done electrical work befor just nothing like this where I have to add a circuit for the dishwasher

Leah Frances 04-12-2009 10:20 PM

One question: Do you know what procedure you need for your permits?

dSilanskas 04-12-2009 10:27 PM

Its easy. Run a feed from the panel but make sure you size the wire correct. Install a plug behind the dishwasher. You have to also install a cord on the end of the dishwasher if it didn't come with one. Just be safe and make sure the power is off and doubt check your connections

mavalentine 04-12-2009 10:31 PM

Not yet I was planning on looking into that tomorrow I know I have to have permits and such but was just trying to get some advice so when I do get that part together I would know what I was doing

mavalentine 04-12-2009 10:41 PM

Cool Thanks.... I'm just concerned it may be a little out of my league since the most I've ever done alone the lines of electrical is change lighting fixtures and such

finnimus 04-12-2009 10:46 PM

Here's the thing, and please understand that I'm not trying to be discouraging. If you're looking to just get this one project done, it's probably more value for your money to hire someone to do it. Sure you can read a few posts and take a shot at it. However, in order to truly understand what you're doing, the risks, and the appropriate things to do, you will need to spend a few hours here searching through old posts and asking questions. For the number of hours you will spend learning, it's probably better just to pay someone.

There are lots of things to consider. How are you going to get the feed from your panel to your outlet? Are you going to run a new circuit? If you run a new circuit, do you have space in your current panel? Are you comfortable working in a panel? Are you going to tap power from another outlet? Is it a GFCI outlet?

Regardless of which you choose, there are lots of people here to help.

SULTINI 04-13-2009 07:54 AM

Learn
 
Take your time and get all the info before starting, if you have any electrician Buddy's ask them to help. Learn everything you can about electric, then tackle the job and be proud of yourself.

Just remember SAFETY FIRST at all times.

Watch out for minor details IE which way to install the wire under a screw, how to strip wire, wire size, breaker
size, stapling, connectors, etc.

Do not install it just by reading this forum.

J. V. 04-13-2009 12:07 PM

If you are only installing ONE dishwasher a permit would be a waste of money and time. An electrician would not pull one.
Just install a 20 amp single pole breaker in the panel. Run a 12/2 NM cable from the panel to the dishwasher. Connect the black wire in the cable to the breaker, connect the white to the neutral bar and the ground to the ground bar if present. If there is no ground bar (terminal strip) connect the ground where the nuetrals are connected. Bring the cable all the way to the junction box provided on the DW. Here you just hook up black to black and white to white and the ground to the box itself.

It will be much easier to hard wire this DW, than trying to use a cord and plug arrangement.

If you plan to install a garbage disposal nearby, run a 12/3 NM cable. We can then explain how to use it.

220/221 04-13-2009 07:13 PM

Quote:

Install a plug behind the dishwasher.

GAH!!!


NEVER install the DW recep BEHIND the DW. Troublesooting a DW circuit becomes much more difficult when you have to pull out the DW just to test power. I had to do this last week and I was CUSSING the idiot who installed it.

Install it under the sink where it's accessible and run the pigtail thru the cabinet.

dSilanskas 04-13-2009 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 220/221 (Post 259403)
GAH!!!


NEVER install the DW recep BEHIND the DW. Troublesooting a DW circuit becomes much more difficult when you have to pull out the DW just to test power. I had to do this last week and I was CUSSING the idiot who installed it.

Install it under the sink where it's accessible and run the pigtail thru the cabinet.



Oh stop being a baby

220/221 04-13-2009 07:51 PM

Stop making my job more difficult than it has to be :jester:

Job: tshoot power to DW.

1. Open sink base door, unplug DW and stick wiggy in. 20 seconds.

or

2. Empty DW, locate and remove countertop screws, remove kick cover plate, find no accessible jb in that little 3" space but I do find that there is no tile under DW and the legs must be adjusted up a half inch @ an 1/8 turn at a time, try to pull out DW and find the water supply is too short, disconnect it and put a pan under the worn out angle valve to catch the dripping water, test power and reinstall. 20 minutes.

dSilanskas 04-13-2009 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 220/221 (Post 259425)
Stop making my job more difficult than it has to be :jester:

Job: tshoot power to DW.

1. Open sink base door, unplug DW and stick wiggy in. 20 seconds.

or

2. Empty DW, locate and remove countertop screws, remove kick cover plate, find no accessible jb in that little 3" space but I do find that there is no tile under DW and the legs must be adjusted up a half inch @ an 1/8 turn at a time, try to pull out DW and find the water supply is too short, disconnect it and put a pan under the worn out angle valve to catch the dripping water, test power and reinstall. 20 minutes.


Well if you took the front plate off you will notice that the jbox for the DW where the cord goes to is right there. So you can test power there. If you have no power there go to the breaker.

220/221 04-13-2009 08:46 PM

That is generally the case but, when I pulled the plate....no jb.

Turns out that this was the only DW I have seen with a factory cord and the JB was nowhere to be seen.

Still, Don't do it :furious:


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