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Old 11-22-2010, 09:43 PM   #1
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Different styles of pushmatic breakers (bolt spacing/ location)


So I'm wiring a hot tub. Replacing a 40A breaker with a 60A. I bought a 60A pushmatic breaker that appeared to be the same but upon further inspection there are a few differences... Most importantly the bolt holes do not line up the same where it would mount into the panel. (also note the plastic 'wings' on the side and the 'feet' on the bottom)

So question is are there two types of pushmatic breakers OR why are these different?

I have found lots online saying there arent different kinds and that any should bolt right up but obviously not...

AND can I just drill holes in the right place so I can bolt them into my panel? (I just want to be 100% sure before I go drilling holes to make the wrong thing fit???)







Thanks for the help, hopefully I get this figured out before my hot tub freezes!

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I have drilled out some of those bulldogs, but ended up buying a new one anyways. I only drilled out one in an emergency situation, trying to restore power to a commercial building.

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Thanks for the quick response!

Anyone know why they are different (is there a reason they aren't supposed to be used?)

Is there a different type/name I can look for if I'm trying to find the right kind? They all seem the same when I see them online... I saw another one for sale locally on craigslist so I'll take a look at that one today..

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Anyone know why they are different?

I'm tempted to just drill it for now if the one I look at later today doesn't work then see if I can find a replacement later if I need to (its getting cold and I already filled the hot tub)
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Did you buy new one or that was used one ?

The oringal one is useally line up good but if you used the Aftermarket breakers half of the time it will be on spot and other half of the time not line up and I keep the drilling to very last resort for safety reason.

If you have to drill it make sure the bussbar is complety dead and I mean 100 % by use the real volt meter not the NCV tester due some of pushmatic do have split buss so that part you may have to watch out.

The correct pushmatic number is P260.


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Old 11-23-2010, 06:51 PM   #6
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I bought another (used) one and it fits this time.. No need to drill anything now

But I hooked it up and turned it on (with the GFCI switched off) and nothing happened but then I flipped the GFCI on and it tripped

I read somewhere in the last couple months that it might trip the first time but I haven't tried it again just in case I wired something wrong...

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I found your problem real quick go to your spa breaker box and you see 16mm˛{#6AWG} netural conductors ? ok you need to move the load side to the netural lug on the breaker itself that is the only way it will work.

And that breaker is BR series ??

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sorry to dumb it down but...

the white pigtail runs from the bar to the top breaker (below where the black wire is). Your saying I need to move one of the other white wires from the bar to the other breaker (below the red wire)???

I got the gfci from home depot made by 'midwest electric products, inc' model#UG412RMW260P... It does not have a bolt under the other breaker to hold any other wires... ??

please clarify... Merci beaucoup
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Yep that the one and let me find the other photo to clear it up.

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and by the way both (well all 3) are P260...

you say move the load side, would that be the part coming from the hot tub or the house?
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I don't know if this will work in here but I will try it.

IM00301063E[1].pdf

Please just click the link above and it will show the PDF file and enlarge it you will see it clear { That photo will show CH series but the BR is the same location for netural connection }

Oui the load side to the spa.


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according to that I think I wired the 2 power wires backwards (hot tub and panel wires should be switched) in my picture of the GFCI the hot tub wires are the conduit on the left; the wires from the panel are coming in on the right...

So my lowest neutral (the bottom white wire should go on the breaker near where the factory installed pigtail is?

I need to go look at the chart like that that came with it again

I'll update soon...
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I definitely need to move the (hot tub side) neutral wire to the top breaker...

Do I have the power wires in the correct way (hot from panel to breaker - hot to hot tub on the bar below) ???

*If I do have to move it I hope I left enough wire

I'll try to post the paperwork that came with the disconnect, if I can get my scanner working in the next few min..
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I definitely need to move the (hot tub side) neutral wire to the top breaker...

Do I have the power wires in the correct way (hot from panel to breaker - hot to hot tub on the bar below) ???

*If I do have to move it I hope I left enough wire

I'll try to post the paperwork that came with the disconnect, if I can get my scanner working in the next few min..
The hot tub netural conductor will be landed on below the black conductor right above the breaker pigtail { spiral white conductor }

The reason why it did trip very fast due you did not have netural conductor thru the GFCI breaker. { it will read inbalance }

I know couple two pole GFCI breakers can not able use the netural conductor and I think your is not a issue but couple other namebrand did have that issue.

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should the wires going into the breakers come from the house or the hot tub?

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