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junkcollector 01-27-2008 08:08 PM

Crouse-Hinds replacement breaker
 
Hi everyone,

What is a suitable replacement for a Crouse-Hinds breaker?

I heard before that Siemens breakers are compatable, and they bought out Murray, which bought out Crouse Hinds. I also heard that Eaton / Cutler-Hammer's BR line is UL listed as a replacement for Crouse Hinds.

Which is correct?

Thanks in advance

220/221 01-27-2008 08:21 PM

http://www.snapdrive.net/files/507790/LT01221002E.pdf

I can't keep track of who bought who. All I know is that the are all basically the same breaker.

Norcal 01-28-2008 12:25 AM

Crouse-Hinds bought Murray, after Cooper Industries bought Crouse-Hinds the line was sold to Siemens, and they restored the Murray name, so a Murray breaker is the OEM choice.

junkcollector 01-28-2008 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Norcal (Post 92746)
Crouse-Hinds bought Murray, after Cooper Industries bought Crouse-Hinds the line was sold to Siemens, and they restored the Murray name, so a Murray breaker is the OEM choice.

Siemens and Murray breakers look exactly the same. EXACTLY. Just a different brand on the sticker...

220/221 01-28-2008 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by junkcollector (Post 92979)
Siemens and Murray breakers look exactly the same. EXACTLY. Just a different brand on the sticker...


It looks like they come from the same factory. One gets a QP and the other gets an MP. I TRY to use the proper breaker...only been called on it once by an eagle eyed inspector. If I interchange a QP/MP I don't lose any sleep over it. I know they are the same thing.

junkcollector 01-28-2008 06:07 PM

Alright, thank you.

Norcal 01-28-2008 06:55 PM

Siemens used the ITE design breakers they already had and dropped the Murray/Crouse-Hinds design,but unless you can come up with the paperwork saying it's permitted, it would be ill advised to use a ITE* or Siemens branded breaker in the panel.

* the ITE name has been dropped in favor of the Siemens name.

junkcollector 01-28-2008 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norcal (Post 93011)
Siemens used the ITE design breakers they already had and dropped the Murray/Crouse-Hinds design,but unless you can come up with the paperwork saying it's permitted, it would be ill advised to use a ITE* or Siemens branded breaker in the panel.

So, a "Murray" brand breaker is okay, but a Siemens Isn't?
Quote:

Originally Posted by junkcollector
Siemens and Murray breakers look exactly the same. EXACTLY. Just a different brand on the sticker...

I'm getting pretty confused here...

I also heard that cutler hammer's BR line is supposed to be UL listed as a replacement.

Stubbie 01-28-2008 08:22 PM

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Hi Junk

Anything interesting going on over at self help?

Usually if the breaker isn't listed on the panel door it becomes a who bought who discussion. Best bet is to look to "classified breakers" for a solution. Cutler Hammer makes a "CL" breaker that interchanges with crouse hinds type MP. The interesting thing here is that unless the breaker is tested to be used in that panel by UL you cannot use it unless the manufacturer has it tested for replacement purposes and lists it as such or if it appears on the panel label. A catch 22 if I ever saw one.

Anyway here is a list out of one of my catalogs showing what panels a cutler classified will fit. The list also has gfci and so forth that is not shown.

junkcollector 01-29-2008 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stubbie (Post 93038)
Hi Junk

Anything interesting going on over at self help?

Ohh, not too much... Depends on what you think is interesting.:)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stubbie (Post 93038)
Anyway here is a list out of one of my catalogs showing what panels a cutler classified will fit. The list also has gfci and so forth that is not shown.

Thanks alot for the chart! That is exactly what I was looking for. Proof.

Now, I need to figure out where to find a C-H type "CL." I've never that particular model, but it sure looks a lot like a "BR" (pretty common)
The CL:
http://images.hardwareandtools.com/P/0926881.jpg
The BR:
http://www.easternwholesale.net/stor...humb_BR115.jpg
I know it isn't the same, so I guess i'll have to track down one of those bad boys. I take breaker compatibility seriously because I don't want to be "caught with my pants down" in front of the inspector... Again.

Stubbie 01-29-2008 05:35 PM

Hi Junk

Here is a place I found on a quick search. I think you would have a supplier locally. In my case my supply house gets these from another supplier a few blocks away. They would also have to get the side clip thin line challengers there also.

http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...ELAID=42532087

junkcollector 01-29-2008 06:32 PM

Thanks a bunch Stub. You're the man!:wink:

bigbear 07-19-2009 08:31 PM

I have a Crouse Hinds MP panel (at least that what the tag says). I need a 30 amp (110) wiring for my RV unit. I was told that Murray is not the same, yet siemens is. Yet everything I've read and researched, shows the Murray as the same as the Crouse Hinds. I even took the breaker down and it matched up correctly, the Murrary is a MP 120/240 amp, am I safe to say this will be okay to use? Or must i find the orginial one? Thanks in advance

spark plug 07-19-2009 08:43 PM

Question of compatibility & interchangeability of Breakers
 
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Originally Posted by 220/221 (Post 92686)
http://www.snapdrive.net/files/507790/LT01221002E.pdf

I can't keep track of who bought who. All I know is that the are all basically the same breaker.

Most breakers, be they Murray,Cutler-Hammer & some GE were interchangeable. I stuck GE (1/2") into a Westinghouse panel. The only 2 major brands that were not interchangeable with the others and with themselves were FPE (RIP) and Square D!:laughing::no::drink:(No matter what) Don't Drink and Drive!!!

220/221 07-19-2009 08:53 PM

Murray/Siemans.....whatever it takes.

It looks to me like they come from the same factory/mold.

Someone once posted a pic of a Murray AFCI breaker in a Siemans package.


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