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puma1277 11-26-2007 04:25 PM

To crimp or not to crimp?
 
What do you prefer, crimping the grounds or using wire nuts.

junkcollector 11-26-2007 05:07 PM

I prefer to use wirenuts. The reason being is if you ever need to do any revamping / repair they are easy to remove. Crimps provide a good connection also, but are difficult to remove. People who install them have a tendency to crimp them in the back of the box and clip the grounds short.

Just my opinion.

Andy in ATL 11-26-2007 06:08 PM

For raw speed, crimpsleeves.

For the average DIYer, wirenuts.

Speedy Petey 11-26-2007 06:18 PM

The old "You can't remove crimps" mentality is totally skewed.
How often do you actually have to "remove" a crimp????
Need to add a wire? Add another crimp.
Need to remove a wire? Just cut it off flush with the crimp and leave it.

I bring ALL the grounds out past the other looped conductors. Then I twist them at this point, cut off all but the number of gangs in the box, crimp them, fold back the twist section to the back of the box and am left with a single ground tail for each device.
Need to re-do the whole box? The grounds are just as long (and longer) as all the other wires.

This whole process takes far less times than twisting, cutting all but one off, wire nutting, then looping the one ground to each device.


Oh, and crimping with a linemans is absolutely legal with linemans with the built in crimper.

junkcollector 11-26-2007 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 76439)
The old "You can't remove crimps" mentality is totally skewed.
How often do you actually have to "remove" a crimp????
Need to add a wire? Add another crimp.
Need to remove a wire? Just cut it off flush with the crimp and leave it.

I bring ALL the grounds out past the other looped conductors. Then I twist them at this point, cut off all but the number of gangs in the box, crimp them, fold back the twist section to the back of the box and am left with a single ground tail for each device.
Need to re-do the whole box? The grounds are just as long (and longer) as all the other wires.

I'm not mentally skewed.

Not to cause trouble here, but just because YOU do it the proper way doesn't mean everyone does it that way. I had to work with more than one case where the installer crimped the ground wires and trimmed them short (about 1 inch inside the box) I had to add a pigtail for the device that was left out in the initial install. (years ago when grounding switch yoke(s) were not required)

Bottom line- some guys like wirenuts and some like crimps. Some use both. Both are fine, as long as you use something. For the DIY'er sometimes they are more trouble than they are worth.

puma1277 11-26-2007 06:36 PM

Quote:

Oh, and crimping with a linemans is absolutely legal with linemans with the built in crimper.
Are the Klein 1005 legal?

Andy in ATL 11-26-2007 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puma1277 (Post 76449)
Are the Klein 1005 legal?

Puma, Andy's listing service officially lists you to be able to "crimp the crimps" with the klein 1005.:wink: :yes:


$49.99 please.

Andy

puma1277 11-26-2007 06:58 PM

Thank's Andy, You are a big help on this site.:thumbsup:

Speedy Petey 11-26-2007 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junkcollector (Post 76448)
I'm not mentally skewed.

Not to cause trouble here, but just because YOU do it the proper way doesn't mean everyone does it that way. I had to work with more than one case where the installer crimped the ground wires and trimmed them short (about 1 inch inside the box) I had to add a pigtail for the device that was left out in the initial install. (years ago when grounding switch yoke(s) were not required)

No trouble here.

And I did not say anyone was "mentally skewed". I said the mentality about removing them is skewed. :thumbsup:

So even in your example of the wires being cut too short you can just add another crimp in front of the other.
I see just as many insanely short grounds using greenies as I do crimps. Neither is immune to stupidity.

Speedy Petey 11-26-2007 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puma1277 (Post 76449)
Are the Klein 1005 legal?

What Andy said.

The Klein 1005 is the same as the Ideal 30-429.
Here are the instructions on a box of Buchanan crimp sleeves.
Read after "Alternate tools,"
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...annanboxes.jpg

Andy in ATL 11-26-2007 09:19 PM

UL wouldn't list Puma, Speedy. So I stepped up to the plate.:whistling2:

Speedy Petey 11-26-2007 10:46 PM

You did good.
You gonna share the 50? :thumbup:

RichyL 11-27-2007 12:20 AM

Crimps are cheaper than wirenuts and easier to make the splices with. Although I'm not gonna make any special trips to get them if i dont have them. Whatever it is that you are used to using is probably gonna be your favorite. I used to use just wirenuts and i had a boss that had a pet peeve about using them because they were " too expensive". I hated them at first cause i was not used to them, but the thing i noticed with them that was a big advantage was when you put on the crimps it doesnt use up as much of the wire for the splice as the wirenut, so you dont have to go hunting around for scrap wire to pigtail it with as much.

220/221 11-27-2007 12:36 AM

If I were wiring houses I would crimp. It's faster and cheaper.

I do mostly service/remodel so I stick with wirenuts. One less thing to carry.

arichard21 11-27-2007 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 220/221 (Post 76564)
If I were wiring houses I would crimp. It's faster and cheaper.

I do mostly service/remodel so I stick with wirenuts. One less thing to carry.

a box of wirenuts takes up alot more room than a package of crimp rings...


:whistling2:

just sayin...


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