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Old 09-17-2012, 08:48 PM   #31
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you could purchase a round cover with a center knockout but you are not allowed to have romex exposed on ceiling like you propose
No? Are you sure?

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Old 09-17-2012, 09:36 PM   #32
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Get the cable from the new fixture into the ceiling, over and into the existing box, splice the wires inside the existing box, install the pictured cover on the box.
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Exposed NM cable is not entirely prohibited. NEC article 334.
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Exposed NM cable is not entirely prohibited. NEC article 334.
I understand that romex is permitted alongside joists or thru holes in joists but along the finished side of a drywalled ceiling?
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No? Are you sure?
I guess you could interpret along the finished side of a drywall ceiling as not subject to physical damage. Is that what you are getting at?
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I understand that romex is permitted alongside joists or thru holes in joists but along the finished side of a drywalled ceiling?
I don't see how being exposed in an ceiling like that, which is most likely within arms reach, is any better than being exposed on a drywall ceiling, which is most likely 8 foot high and out of reach.

A couple inches of romex exposed on the drywall of an 8 foot ceiling is much less "exposed to physical damage" than the romex in the picture you showed me, in my opinion.
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The differences are that 1. It's not a finished space. And 2. Your more likely to hit the joist before the cable if your swinging something around. If the cables are run on the bottom of the joists then they would need protection as well, likely in the form of wood strips on either side.
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Why the hell would anyone be swinging anything around in my kitchen, near a brand new light fixture? Id be cracking some heads
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besides, its not like its stretched from the light switch across the ceiling to the fixture, its about four inches between the hole and the fixture. The only way someone would ever hit it is if they were trying to. Plus i can get a small piece of runway to hide it in, which is perfectly legal
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When you come to a forum like this you get safe, code approved advice. In your area it seems that there's no governing body and a workaround has been suggested already for you. It'll look like a dogs breakfast but at least its legal.
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this house isnt going to look like a palace no matter what we do to it, its a 1979 mobile home. Anything we do is like putting lipstick on a pig. Its just a starter home, in ten years we will most likely find a better one. Right now im just trying to get this thing safe and livable before my lease runs out and im tossed out on my ear
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The differences are that 1. It's not a finished space. And 2. Your more likely to hit the joist before the cable if your swinging something around. If the cables are run on the bottom of the joists then they would need protection as well, likely in the form of wood strips on either side.
You're more likely to be swinging something around in an open basement and hit the cable on a low ceiling than you are in a finished kitchen. You are also more likely to hit dozens of feet of cable than 3-4 inches.
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When you come to a forum like this you get safe, code approved advice.
What is unsafe or non-code compliant about a few inches of exposed romex on a ceiling?

I agree that it won't look nice, but you are saying that it's dangerous to have a few inches exposed on the ceiling but not dozens of feet exposed in the basement ceiling?
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not to mention if you were swinging something that was in danger of hitting the cable, unless you were trying to hit the cable you would come closer to hitting the light fixture or the ceiling than the 4 inches of Romex
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Even though i dont have to follow it, this is an excerpt from the "Code" permitting exposed non-metallic cables. I did not see anything about having to conceal it in a ceiling
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