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Old 08-15-2008, 08:24 AM   #31
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But who is going to actually judge that it is ugly or not? lets take this example, take the AHJ's wife and tell the man if shes ugly or not. Hopefully for your sake shes a knockout!


This is the exact reason its not enforceable...
Chris, I'm not trying to be argumentative and I see your point, but the code gives the AHJ the right to basically enforce anything he wants to. Not to sound snotty, but everyone can have an opinion, but the AHJ's is the only one that counts. There is a required board of appeals process where an owner and contractor could use their right to that process to argue against any code call, including workmanship. NEC 110.12 is one of the sections that the AHJ can use to subjectively judge the quality of the work, whereas the rest of the code is very objective and straightforward. There are similar sections in other codes, and they're geared for dealing with things that the code just doesn't specifically address when something is so poorly done that an inspector just won't put his name on it.

Basically what I am saying is that if the AHJ says that his dog of a wife is beautiful, he has the right to tell everyone else that she's a hottie and they have to go along with it. No, it isn't always fair and he isn't always right. They could take him to the appeals board an she'd have to come along as evidence.
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Old 08-15-2008, 10:50 AM   #32
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Just cover your bases.

I had a past experience with a plumber, that I thought did a hack job. He did damage to my beams, I thought repairs should come out of the payment. He told me to get bent, and said if I didn't pay he would put a mechanic's lien on my house.
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Chris, I'm not trying to be argumentative and I see your point, but the code gives the AHJ the right to basically enforce anything he wants to. Not to sound snotty, but everyone can have an opinion, but the AHJ's is the only one that counts. There is a required board of appeals process where an owner and contractor could use their right to that process to argue against any code call, including workmanship. NEC 110.12 is one of the sections that the AHJ can use to subjectively judge the quality of the work, whereas the rest of the code is very objective and straightforward. There are similar sections in other codes, and they're geared for dealing with things that the code just doesn't specifically address when something is so poorly done that an inspector just won't put his name on it.

Basically what I am saying is that if the AHJ says that his dog of a wife is beautiful, he has the right to tell everyone else that she's a hottie and they have to go along with it. No, it isn't always fair and he isn't always right. They could take him to the appeals board an she'd have to come along as evidence.
I agree with you, but most inspectors are not the AHJ, they are inspectors, and thats it.
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Old 08-15-2008, 04:44 PM   #34
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I agree with you, but most inspectors are not the AHJ, they are inspectors, and thats it.

Things must be different in your state. Every locale I have ever worked in, the AHJ has been the Electrical Inspector. They have the right to send the POCO out to pull the meter if they don't like what they see, and I have seen it done on more than one occasion. They can't make you change the wiring, but they can refuse to give you a sticker and they can disconnect your power. So unless you're off the grid, I would say that they are the Authority.
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The authority having jurisdiction (AHJ) is the inspector, or the inspector represents the building official, who is the AHJ. In some areas it might be the fire marshall. In some cities it might be the city manager or council, who hire the inspector to represent them.

For all intents and purposes, the city or county building inspector is the AHJ, or his/her direct representative.
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After making a few phone calls I'm being told that the vast majority of inspectors use the NECA/ANSI manual for good electrical workmanship to enforce 110.12.

http://www.necanet.org/store/pdf_toc/NECA1r_TOC.pdf
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