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Old 09-29-2012, 03:20 PM   #1
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I have to install a dedicated circuit for a microwave oven. I was wondering as to when I should pull a permit for this work? Should I do that before I have the work done or after? Also what are the consequences of doing it without a permit other than it being difficult to sell.

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Give your home insurance company a call and ask them. You should pull a permit before you start the work.

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I have to install a dedicated circuit for a microwave oven. I was wondering as to when I should pull a permit for this work? Should I do that before I have the work done or after? Also what are the consequences of doing it without a permit other than it being difficult to sell.

Nothing bad will probably happen if you do it without a permit, i bet 95% of the jobs you are describing are done without a permit.

When it comes to resale they will have no clue that it was done without a permit.

Now being a professional I am going to recommend you to get a permit, at least you will peace of mind about your install.

Pull the permit before or after it doesn't matter, the inspector will probably want to see the install before the plug goes on. I would imagine one visit from the inspector will be all you need.
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I have to install a dedicated circuit for a microwave oven. I was wondering as to when I should pull a permit for this work? Should I do that before I have the work done or after? Also what are the consequences of doing it without a permit other than it being difficult to sell.
Does your municipality require you to pull a permit?
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I have to install a dedicated circuit for a microwave oven. I was wondering as to when I should pull a permit for this work? Should I do that before I have the work done or after? Also what are the consequences of doing it without a permit other than it being difficult to sell.
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I live in San Jose. How much would the permit cost?
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One of the consequences is that your village, town, city...etc. will have no record of any improvements you make. This will affect the value of your home at tax time and unfortunately at resale time as well. When you try to sell the home there could be issues which may hamper the sale and cost you retroactively. At that point you are at the mercy of the municipality. (for the most part this will not occur...but it certainly is possible)
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Do you have any future plans for the kitchen? If so, do the permit then.....assuming it's not that long.

As mentioned above...most people don't pull a permit for something like that....but....if you sell your house and 'mention' you made some improvements...the perspective buyers may check to see if you pulled permits.

As for cost....typically it's based on the # of ckts your adding...in my area...1-10 is the same price.
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I have to install a dedicated circuit for a microwave oven. I was wondering as to when I should pull a permit for this work? Should I do that before I have the work done or after? Also what are the consequences of doing it without a permit other than it being difficult to sell.

Always recieve your HO permit before work starts, some jurisdictions require you to take a test to prove competence. You may be given a time period to complete the work. Leave everything open and accessible for the inspector. When work is completed schedule your inspection, if you do not pass then it will require another visit by the inspector and extra costs.

One word of caution ... what may appear simple may not be so simple as you may think. Do your home work and understand your wiring method and the code requirements for the install.
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I also vote for getting a permit. Assuming it would cost around 60-70 bucks (wires, boxes, cover plates, staples, etc.), my electrical permit would be around 10-15 bucks.

You would also get a validation from a professional inspector that your work was done properly.

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my electrical permit would be around 10-15 bucks.
I wish permit prices were that cheap out here in Cali. I'm over in Livermore, and it's $138 for an electrical permit, plus a $30 permit fee. The electrical can cover one items such as outlets, lighting, service, etc. If you want to do multiple, you pay for each but only need to pay the $30 fee once.
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I wish permit prices were that cheap out here in Cali. I'm over in Livermore, and it's $138 for an electrical permit, plus a $30 permit fee. The electrical can cover one items such as outlets, lighting, service, etc. If you want to do multiple, you pay for each but only need to pay the $30 fee once.

And that my friends is bull. Any wonder why California is in such financial trouble? Typical liberal thinking.
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I wish permit prices were that cheap out here in Cali. I'm over in Livermore, and it's $138 for an electrical permit, plus a $30 permit fee. The electrical can cover one items such as outlets, lighting, service, etc. If you want to do multiple, you pay for each but only need to pay the $30 fee once.
That is insane! At least now I can understand why some people would skip the permit part
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And that my friends is bull. Any wonder why California is in such financial trouble? Typical liberal thinking.
What in the World does the cost of permits have to do with political leaning? And let me remind you of some simple facts before you judge California as all a bunch of liberals. The San Francisco Bay Area is diverse and alone has more people and last names than than your entire state does. Los Angeles County has 10M people living in it. You don't know if the California (population 38M) permit revenue idea was put in place by the liberal North or the extremely rightwing Southern Californians. The place ain't not so inbred as Missouri (population 6M)! It is both a red and blue state that can swing either political direction. Those commenting so far seem to be from the liberal North but try navigating permits and inspections in Orange County, Ronny Reagan country, someday. It is even worse there than in the Bay Area from what I hear and a democrat or even just left of the fence liberal barely dares live there. It is only half the size of Missouri though.

The fact is that many municipalities across the country are in financial trouble---whether run by democrats, republicans, or worse---and all seem to have latched on to the idea of permits and inspections as revenue streams. In some cases, with budget cuts, permit revenue is the only way to pay inspectors. It is not some commy pinko plot. The market has to bear whatever price they put on them so they get away with it. Now granted, in some cases they are necessary and I think important. I had no choice but to play the game with permits for my clients. I do think a homeowner doing work without a permit runs great risks. Problems at closing and with insurance have already been mentioned. You cannot get something grandfathered when codes change if it was never done on record in the first place either. And even if the work is done properly, without a permit you can be asked to tear it out if you get caught. Maybe some nasty neighbor rats you out and you get spotted with a coil of Romex between trunk and garage.

And people it can only get worse as diy people continue to rely mainly on cheap books and apron minimum wage help at box stores as primary project counsel. There is certainly no incentive on the part of Home Desperate or Blowe's to train people better and actually offer up sound advice on what is the correct material to buy or approach to take. They certainly shoot themselves and their profit margins to Hades if they train people, like lifeguards, to spot people in way over their heads and suggest they call a pro. A paradigm shift from just DIYers can do anything to DIYers can do almost anything would be devastating. As more DIYers get creative, the tighter the inspectors have to become.

Where I am, most electrical still has to be in conduit. Frankly, because so many screwed it all up, homeowners in much of the State need electricians to do most all work or sign off on it and most are not willing to risk their licenses to unknown workmanship. In Central Illinois, outlet inspection (involving a peek at wiring for a couple and then plugging a tester in the rest) was $30 each. Many of the inspectors were known to be Republicans by the way and not stinking leftwing liberals!

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Electrical codes protect you, your family, your pets, visitors to your home, anyone who may purchase your house in the future, and protect your house from fire.

With that said, getting an electrical permit and having your electrical work inspected will be a good check that your work is done to code and is safe.

If you are worried your work will not pass inspection, then all the more reason to get a permit! Think about that...

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