||10-01-2012 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by Missouri Bound
And that my friends is bull:censored:. Any wonder why California is in such financial trouble? Typical liberal thinking.:laughing:
What in the World does the cost of permits have to do with political leaning? And let me remind you of some simple facts before you judge California as all a bunch of liberals. The San Francisco Bay Area is diverse and alone has more people and last names than than your entire state does. Los Angeles County has 10M people living in it. You don't know if the California (population 38M) permit revenue idea was put in place by the liberal North or the extremely rightwing Southern Californians. The place ain't not so inbred as Missouri (population 6M)! It is both a red and blue state that can swing either political direction. Those commenting so far seem to be from the liberal North but try navigating permits and inspections in Orange County, Ronny Reagan country, someday. It is even worse there than in the Bay Area from what I hear and a democrat or even just left of the fence liberal barely dares live there. It is only half the size of Missouri though.
The fact is that many municipalities across the country are in financial trouble---whether run by democrats, republicans, or worse---and all seem to have latched on to the idea of permits and inspections as revenue streams. In some cases, with budget cuts, permit revenue is the only way to pay inspectors. It is not some commy pinko plot. The market has to bear whatever price they put on them so they get away with it. Now granted, in some cases they are necessary and I think important. I had no choice but to play the game with permits for my clients. I do think a homeowner doing work without a permit runs great risks. Problems at closing and with insurance have already been mentioned. You cannot get something grandfathered when codes change if it was never done on record in the first place either. And even if the work is done properly, without a permit you can be asked to tear it out if you get caught. Maybe some nasty neighbor rats you out and you get spotted with a coil of Romex between trunk and garage.
And people it can only get worse as diy people continue to rely mainly on cheap books and apron minimum wage help at box stores as primary project counsel. There is certainly no incentive on the part of Home Desperate or Blowe's to train people better and actually offer up sound advice on what is the correct material to buy or approach to take. They certainly shoot themselves and their profit margins to Hades if they train people, like lifeguards, to spot people in way over their heads and suggest they call a pro. A paradigm shift from just DIYers can do anything
to DIYers can do almost anything
would be devastating. As more DIYers get creative, the tighter the inspectors have to become.
Where I am, most electrical still has to be in conduit. Frankly, because so many screwed it all up, homeowners in much of the State need electricians to do most all work or sign off on it and most are not willing to risk their licenses to unknown workmanship. In Central Illinois, outlet inspection (involving a peek at wiring for a couple and then plugging a tester in the rest) was $30 each. Many of the inspectors were known to be Republicans by the way and not stinking leftwing liberals!