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forcedreno2012 11-12-2012 11:03 PM

Confusing info from the county re GFCI
 
Called the county the other day on the requirements on GFCI's in the kitchen. Currently we have none and were going to add one. my understanding was that the requirement is 2 in the kitchen.

I was told by the county that every plug in the kitchen must be a GFCI per code.

I'm trying to figure this one out. If the first plug on a run is a GFCI then everything down from the GFCI is protected, what do you gain by all of them being a GFCI? Am I missing something?

joecaption 11-12-2012 11:11 PM

There is nothing to gain. You only need one at the begining of each circut to protect the rest of the outlets.
Just make sure your incoming line is connected to the line side and the power going out is connected to the load side.

joed 11-12-2012 11:33 PM

Every plug must be GFCI protected. They don not have to be actual GFCI receptacles. One GFCI can protect others that are regular receptacles.

frenchelectrican 11-12-2012 11:59 PM

You can use one GFCI receptale at the starting point as the first receptale on that circuit.

As other mention make sure you pay attetion to the line and load connection if you get them cross conntion it will not work.

The other thing it will show up once a while is red conductor if you have them stop right there and let us know we will assit you on this one due it is tricky to deal with it.

Merci,
Marc

Bobka 11-13-2012 04:43 AM

Great point Marc...as allways..!....MWBC"s are very common in kitchens ...also don't be surprised if you need 2 gfics.... now it is code to run 2 small appliance cirs....but we don't know if that is the case in your home...test all the receps in the kitchen to see whats what 1 cir, 2 cir, 3? good luck:thumbsup:

AllanJ 11-13-2012 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forcedreno2012 (Post 1050968)
Called the county the other day on the requirements on GFCI's in the kitchen. Currently we have none and were going to add one. my understanding was that the requirement is 2 in the kitchen.

I was told by the county that every plug in the kitchen must be a GFCI per code.

I'm trying to figure this one out. If the first plug on a run is a GFCI then everything down from the GFCI is protected, what do you gain by all of them being a GFCI? Am I missing something?

There could be a local code requiring a ground fault circuit interrupter at each outlet box so that you don't have to go searching for the reset button if you get a trip. Ask to see the applicable code documents at your town hall. If all they go by is the National Electric Code and the hot conductor does not share a neutral with another hot conductor, then you don't need an individual GFCI at each outlet box.

A multiwire branch circuit (hot conductors sharing a neutral) can come into a box where a GFCI is fed, where the MWBC continues on without GFCI protection so far and also a separate 2 conductor cable carries GFCI protection to additional outlet boxes.

md2lgyk 11-13-2012 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joed (Post 1050996)
Every plug must be GFCI protected.

Is this some new code requirement? I know the small appliance circuits must be GFCI protected, but are you saying the receptacles for refrigerator, range hood, disposal, etc. must also be protected? Mine certainly aren't, but my house was wired to NEC 2005. I also (thankfully) did not have to have AFCIs except for the bedroom circuits.

Jim Port 11-13-2012 06:53 AM

Under the NEC only the receptacles that serve the countertop require the GFI protection.

joed 11-13-2012 07:30 AM

I thought we were talking about kitchen counter circuits when I stated every plug needs GFCI. I guess I should have been more specific.

Every kitchen counter receptacle needs to be GFCI protected.

forcedreno2012 11-17-2012 01:53 AM

Thank you all, I did go back to the county and asked them to show me where it stated that they all had to be GFCI circuits and not just protected.

The guys said the other inspector was incorrect and we can just do the first one on the run. I'm happy I don't have to go out and spend $$ on plugs we didn't think we needed.


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