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Old 07-07-2012, 12:02 AM   #16
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Hmm...using "even better" and union job" in the same sentence seem like a contradiction.
It depends on the company and the guys and gals doing the job. I have seen bad and I have seen good for union jobs. What is even better, is when you have a gal on the job and she runs circles around the guys that are also union, and fixes their problems.

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I'm not denying the quality and standards of union work. But the fact that unions have outlived their usefulness and purpose is an accepted belief. But that's another discussion.
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I'm not denying the quality and standards of union work. But the fact that unions have outlived their usefulness and purpose is an accepted belief. But that's another discussion.
depends on the non union company, some of them are absolutely great places to work. Some of them grossly underpay their guys. There's no way a good tradesman should ever be making the same as a low to mid level paper pusher, no offense to the office diy'rs out there. There's also no way some of the union guys should be getting as much as they are either lol. I've been union for 10 years and it's been good for me, we operate a little different up here north of the border though.

Up here non union and union can be on the same jobsite, we coexist for the most part unless the general contractor won't allow it.
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because the union would never let a non-union business on site.
I've been on countless jobs with union carpenters, plumbers, HVAC...and there has never been an issue...not even a mention of it. (Unless your statement was concerning electricians and low voltage contractors specifically)
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I've been on countless jobs with union carpenters, plumbers, HVAC...and there has never been an issue...not even a mention of it. (Unless your statement was concerning electricians and low voltage contractors specifically)
Bingo. Reason being, that most LV contractors have no skills or knowledge of the NEC. I worked for one of those companies back in the early 90's, when 100baseT was becoming the norm. Company went out of business shortly after I left. I could not fathom the number of jobs that someone or some company had to come in behind them to fix all of the problems they caused. One job in particular still sticks in mind. Too large of a job, and only two of us on site for the 100+ drops that had to be done. A whole lot of short cuts, and I still have half my tongue gone to this date, due to how many times I ended up biting a chunk off, vs. continuing beratement of the idiot in charge of the job

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