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helpless handyman 07-06-2012 02:26 PM

Commercial Inside wall wiring
 
Hi all,

I need to run Siamese cable RG59/18-2 for security cameras in a commercial environment. I am wondering if it needs to be cl2, cl3, cmr? I wont be going thru a plenum ceiling, so I know I won't be needing plenum.

Thanks for all the help.

gregzoll 07-06-2012 04:14 PM

It is a commercial job, your local AHJ will tell you what they require. Also some areas require the person doing to job, to not only pull a permit, but also be licensed and bonded.

helpless handyman 07-06-2012 06:02 PM

You just have to love these responses!!:thumbsup:

I thought this forum was to help out DIY? I am just asking a simple question on types of cabling, feels like I'm taking your job!!!

Thanks!

stickboy1375 07-06-2012 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by helpless handyman (Post 959415)
You just have to love these responses!!:thumbsup:

I thought this forum was to help out DIY? I am just asking a simple question on types of cabling, feels like I'm taking your job!!!

Thanks!

Yeah, and DIY is only for 'your' house not a commercial building, sorry you don't understand that.

helpless handyman 07-06-2012 06:22 PM

Thanks guys:thumbsup:

gregzoll 07-06-2012 06:22 PM

This is not a DIY job. It is a commercial structure as you mentioned, which means licensed professional and permit pulled.

stickboy1375 07-06-2012 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by helpless handyman (Post 959437)
Thanks guys:thumbsup:

No problem! :thumbsup: BTW, you could always just do the required courses and on the job training, achieve your license in the electrical field and then answer your own question. :) and then feel the same way we do when you come across a DIY forum and ask a question about a commercial application. just saying.

andrew79 07-06-2012 07:52 PM

if it's his own business he can install it depending on the state he lives in as long as it doesn't notify the police. I somehow doubt this is the case here though. Apparently security systems don't fall under electrical work. Most likely will have to pull a permit either way though.

stickboy1375 07-06-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew79 (Post 959517)
if it's his own business he can install it depending on the state he lives in as long as it doesn't notify the police. I somehow doubt this is the case here though. Apparently security systems don't fall under electrical work. Most likely will have to pull a permit either way though.

Security systems certainly do fall under the NEC...

Missouri Bound 07-06-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by helpless handyman (Post 959303)
Hi all,

I need to run Siamese cable RG59/18-2 for security cameras in a commercial environment. I am wondering if it needs to be cl2, cl3, cmr? I wont be going thru a plenum ceiling, so I know I won't be needing plenum.

Thanks for all the help.


Is this an existing building or new construction? If it's new it should be spec'd somewhere unless it's an addition. If it's existing, the AHJ just may be the right place to go. Is cost the issue here?

helpless handyman 07-06-2012 09:13 PM

Okay guys, lets just drop this already!

Thanks anyways:thumbsup:

andrew79 07-06-2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stickboy1375 (Post 959533)
Security systems certainly do fall under the NEC...

yes they are in the NEC, no you don't have to be an electrician to install camera's

i should have said they don't fall under an electrical license instead of electrical work.
I'm not sure where i said they weren't covered in the code.

stickboy1375 07-06-2012 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew79 (Post 959610)
yes they are in the NEC, no you don't have to be an electrician to install camera's

i should have said they don't fall under an electrical license instead of electrical work.
I'm not sure where i said they weren't covered in the code.

My mistake, I misread what you actually wrote.

gregzoll 07-06-2012 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew79 (Post 959610)
yes they are in the NEC, no you don't have to be an electrician to install camera's

i should have said they don't fall under an electrical license instead of electrical work.
I'm not sure where i said they weren't covered in the code.

Sorry, but there are some areas, that you have to be a licensed electrician to work on LV systems. And even better, is if it is a union job, you would never be able to do the work, because the union would never let a non-union business on site.

Yes, it is about a money grab, but also about doing things correct, is why some areas want a company to be bonded and licensed, no matter what the job is, or who is doing it.

Missouri Bound 07-06-2012 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gregzoll (Post 959684)
And even better, is if it is a union job


Hmm...using "even better" and union job" in the same sentence seem like a contradiction.:laughing:


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