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03-22-2012, 08:52 PM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
Hi, I am new to this forum and need your big help,
I have bought a Poggenphol kitchen, see the attached picture. The city electrial inspector disapproval of the kitchen:
1. Need UL listing for the kicthen canbinet becasue the backsplash is lighted,
2. need plugs every 4 feet, but this kitchen is already built and the backsplash is the glass box, see the picture;
3. the lights and the plug can not be in same circuit, but this is already made this way by PoggenPhol company.
Thanks for all of your inputs,
Yan
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03-22-2012, 08:59 PM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
Did you go over your local code and requirements when you contacted Poggenphol about your order?
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03-22-2012, 09:05 PM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
I didn't think about it because Poggenphol sold many kitchen in US
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03-22-2012, 09:16 PM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
The inspector is correct. Lot's of stuff sold in the US is not legal for certain uses. This stuff apparently comes from Germany.
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03-22-2012, 09:39 PM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
Quote:
Originally Posted by yan2hua
1. Need UL listing for the kicthen canbinet becasue the backsplash is lighted,
2. need plugs every 4 feet, but this kitchen is already built and the backsplash is the glass box, see the picture;
3. the lights and the plug can not be in same circuit, but this is already made
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All valid points.
I guess if you can afford a kitchen like that imported from Germany you can afford to re-do it correctly.
Someone should have known better, like maybe a GC or electrician. Or maybe you didn't hire any?
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03-22-2012, 10:00 PM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
Let me go out on a limb here.....I'm thinking that manufactured products may just fall into the category which the AHJ may not govern. And does a "UL" listing apply to imported items? Seems like a grey area. Not to mention that they have a showroom in Dallas. I'm thinking that the inspector is overstepping.
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Last edited by Missouri Bound; 03-22-2012 at 10:03 PM.
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03-22-2012, 10:32 PM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
Nope, not overstepping.
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03-22-2012, 10:47 PM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
UL listing applies to everything electrical, imported or not. Go look a HD and see how many of the products are imported.
The inspector is correct. If the supplier of this kitchen says otherwise they are lying or incompetent.
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03-22-2012, 10:54 PM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
How useful is that kitchen without plugs? Would not want it my house.
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03-23-2012, 12:10 AM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
I would return the kitchen and get your money back.
Buy another U.L. approved kitchen which meets code!
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03-23-2012, 01:38 AM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
Just out of curiosity.....how much was the kitchen? Obviously, the attached pic of of a showroom version....
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03-23-2012, 08:24 AM
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city inspector disapproval the Poggenphol kitchen lighted unit
Quote:
Originally Posted by Missouri Bound
Let me go out on a limb here.....I'm thinking that manufactured products may just fall into the category which the AHJ may not govern.
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It's still a kitchen in a home in the US. It HAS to meet certain code minimums. This is just the equipment the homeowner chooses to install in his US kitchen.
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