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leitht 03-03-2012 08:15 AM

Circuit requirements for wet bar in rec room versus kitchen requiremenets
 
I am finishing a basement and will have a rec room with a wet bar, or might be called a mini kitchen. I plan to have a counter with sink, a fridge, a small microwave and possibly an under cabinet dishwasher.

I am wondering if this will require special circuits like a kitchen.

I have a 20amp circuit in place for the fridge. I am wondering if I can branch off that to create a small appliance circuit for counter top outlets with GFCI?

Will I need the 2 20amp counter top circuits like a kitchen?

I expect to have a separate circuit for the dishwasher if installed.

How does the whole acfi requirement come into play here?

Thanks for the help
Tim

SD515 03-03-2012 08:36 AM

If it doesn’t have a sink and permanent provisions for cooking (ie, a range or oven…countertop micros don’t count) then it’s not considered a kitchen, and kitchen rules don’t apply. 210.8 (GFCI’s) and 210.12 (AFCI’s) do apply though, as do other general sections of the code (ie, load evenly distributed, manufacturer’s instructions, etc.) Personally, I would still use the spacing requirements for the wet-bar countertop as if it were a kitchen though.

210.8 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for
Personnel. Ground-fault circuit-interruption for personnel
shall be provided as required in 210.8(A) through (C). The
ground-fault circuit-interrupter shall be installed in a
readily accessible location.

(A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-
ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in
210.8(A)(1) through (8) shall have ground-fault circuit interrupter
protection for personnel.

(7) Sinks — located in areas other than kitchens where
receptacles are installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the outside
edge of the sink

210.12 Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection.
(A) Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single phase, 15- and
20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets installed in
dwelling unit family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms,
parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms, recreation
rooms, closets, hallways, or similar rooms or areas shall
be protected by a listed arc-fault circuit interrupter,
combination-type, installed to provide protection of the
branch circuit.

leitht 03-03-2012 11:39 AM

Combining GFCI and AFCI requirements
 
Thanks for the information.

I am a little confused about combining the GFCA and AFCI requirements for circuits in the den/rec room. I'll call it den.

Is this OK.
1. 20A circuit to fridge. Branch to 2 counter top receptacles the first of which is a GFCI receptacle with second being GFCI protected off the first.
2. 15A circuit for the dishwasher
3. 15A for microwave (if installed)
4. AFCI breaker(s) feeding other lights and receptacles in the den

My concern is #1.
1. How does the ACFI rule get covered for the 2 counter top receptacles?
2. Can the counter top receptacles branch off the fridge circuit or do they need their own dedicated circuit with a GFCI breaker or AFCI breaker?

Thanks
Tim

SD515 03-03-2012 12:27 PM

This is based on needing to have AFCI protection. Currently in Michigan, only bedrooms have to be AFCI protected. Your area may or may not require it for your rec rm/den.

Use a AFCI/20A breaker for the fridge circuit, branching it off to the countertop recepts is fine. GFCI’s & AFCI’s use different technology, and are compatible with each other (LOL…so the story goes…) If your area requires AFCI, the dishwasher circuit, micro circuit, other lights & recepts, etc. would also need AFCI breakers. Remember, if this isn’t classified as a kitchen (permanent provisions for cooking) but has a sink, the GFCI requirement for a wet-bar is 6 feet from the edge of the sink, refrigerator receptacle included. See previous post.


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