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TriggerB3 04-22-2008 04:10 AM

Challenge: Price out a 1200SF wiring for 2nd floor addition
 
The challenge: Come up with retail pricing for a 1200SF upstairs addtion, essentially new construction, in stick framing; main panel is big enough and is located on first floor utility room 50ft from where sub panel is to be located.
1 Add a 100AMP main breaker panel
2 generic power for two bedrooms, hallway and a generic bathroom
3 all copper conductors
4 porecelain light fixtures enough to pass insp., oulets w/covers, switches w/covers, 3 ceiling fan boxes, ceiling fans not included but will wire customers basic fans w/light kits
5 No Heat or A/C but electrical provision in sub for future
6 3 free standing 20A heat/AC portable units must be accomodated
7 electric gas fireplace hook up accomodate
8 Building is framed with roof, will be sheet rocked as normal after rough in
9 Location SOuthport, North Carolina
10 Hint: No of home runs to be 6 or so

I actually have this client who turned down a proposal that really frosted my ____s! I'd like to inundate him with independant like quotes from my bros all over the country. Doesn't have to be detailed. With above specs. Just enter a number and/or exclusions. Thanks guys...DON'T BOTHER WITH THIS IF YOU'RE BUSY, ITS NOT IMPORTANT, BUT PREFECT FOR THE RETIRED GUYS!!Trigger

ElectricianJeff 04-22-2008 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TriggerB3 (Post 118110)
The challenge: Come up with retail pricing for a 1200SF upstairs addtion, essentially new construction, in stick framing; main panel is big enough and is located on first floor utility room 50ft from where sub panel is to be located.
1 Add a 100AMP main breaker panel
2 generic power for two bedrooms, hallway and a generic bathroom
3 all copper conductors
4 porecelain light fixtures enough to pass insp., oulets w/covers, switches w/covers, 3 ceiling fan boxes, ceiling fans not included but will wire customers basic fans w/light kits
5 No Heat or A/C but electrical provision in sub for future
6 3 free standing 20A heat/AC portable units must be accomodated
7 electric gas fireplace hook up accomodate
8 Building is framed with roof, will be sheet rocked as normal after rough in
9 Location SOuthport, North Carolina
10 Hint: No of home runs to be 6 or so

I actually have this client who turned down a proposal that really frosted my ____s! I'd like to inundate him with independant like quotes from my bros all over the country. Doesn't have to be detailed. With above specs. Just enter a number and/or exclusions. Thanks guys...DON'T BOTHER WITH THIS IF YOU'RE BUSY, ITS NOT IMPORTANT, BUT PREFECT FOR THE RETIRED GUYS!!Trigger

What did you bid?

Speedy Petey 04-22-2008 06:49 AM

WHat does it matter what a guy in Deleware charges if you are in Ca??? Or vice-versa???

Pricing is a VERY location specific thing.

Also, WHY are you getting "bids" for them just to justify your price? Tell them get other bids and let them compare.

TriggerB3 04-22-2008 07:36 AM

I quoted at $3.25/ft. I think the total I came up with was $4018

Jim Port 04-22-2008 08:45 AM

What does square footage have to do with pricing electrical? This is not drywall or paint.

How many sq ft are involved with fan boxes mounted on 16 foot ceiling? How many 3ways and switches are there in 1200 sq ft?

I would have more than 6 home runs too.

TriggerB3 04-22-2008 08:55 AM

Since production homes here don't change much in features and since we know, say how many outlets are required by code, and switches and such. A lot of electricians develop a price per square foot guideline. To that we add extras or subtract for obvious omissions and such. $/SF is a good check/balance. Obviously in high end custom stuff that figure is so compromised that it mostly cannot be used. At least not literally.

There's no time in smaller jobs to prepare an itemized, materials, labor calc. I find. Then again if I owned the $10K electrical estimating program, maybe I could calc to the nats ass.

Well, anyway, this has been fun, but obviously to no avail. SO manager delete this string if you so desire.
Trigger

ElectricianJeff 04-22-2008 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TriggerB3 (Post 118144)
Well, anyway, this has been fun, but obviously to no avail. SO manager delete this string if you so desire.
Trigger

I'm in Southern Illinois...........'Broken pencil' I think I would wanted about another $750.00 to do this job.

Hope this helps

Silk 04-22-2008 09:11 AM

Disclaimer: In my area

If you go over $5.50 sq/ft you won't get the job in my area. That is for the "basic" wiring. Recessed, fans, electric heat, wells, and any other dedicated circuits are extra. I don't care about 3-ways as they don't really slow me down.

Maybe I'm not "with it" but I don't have an estimating program and I don't see the need for one. If you do the work, you know how long it should take, on new construction that is.

Also, it may not be relevent because it's so area specific, but I find it interesting to see what the prices are in different areas, so it is a good thread.

TriggerB3 04-22-2008 09:29 AM

Well, now, all of a sudden we're getting down to it. Yep, 5.50/ft would kill off guys down here. Was working up on Cape Cod 20% more expensive than here. Coastal Carolina is still fighting the effects of the tobacco road mentality. But with new vacation retirement developments moving in pricing is a challenge. Some people absolutly flip out, causing you to question your very being; while others don't bat an eye. Lately I've written 10-12 proposals and couldn't close one of them. That's what prompted this thread. BUT, already a couple of you guys have reassured me I'm not crazy. When I first got here I immediately checked the plumbers and electrician's service rates. [$55-$75/hour]. Cape Cod was between [$75-$95/hour]. Based on those figures it became obvious that I'd have to adjust my items list in QBPRO to reflect. At least for labor. Materials I've found almost no matter where you are are holding fairly true. Price of wire on Cape is the same as wire here. For instance, the LOWE'S home store in Weymouth, MA has exactly the same price as the one in Southport. The big home stores, pick a median price and go with it no matter where they're located. Electrical suppliers do about the same, although I have seen slight variations. Suffice to say, I corrected my labor rate expectations and started in. I've also been aquated with a few brothers down here that have been cool and secure enough to validate my thinking.
BUT as you say. it is interesting to see how other guys would price this thing out.
If [y'all] want to continue on this line, I'll monitor!
Thanks
B3

ElectricianJeff 04-22-2008 09:47 AM

It also frustrates me to make a proposal and not get the job and want to second guess myself. The bulk of my business is repeat or word of mouth so it doesn't happen all that often.

One needs to figure their cost to do business and go from there. Assuming your not starving or just need the practice, sometimes its better to just watch Oprah. :no:

TriggerB3 04-22-2008 09:53 AM

Yas, unfortunately with $30k worth of smaller proposals on the hook right now and none of them able to close; I AM starving with rent and truck payments late! Add that to the mix and frustration is turning into flat panic!
However, today, all of a sudden it seems I've got more work and proposals to do than I can get to. SO, with a little luck or [freedom of religion] help. I'll pull out of this spin.

So, off to work for me now, but keep writing. I'll be back.
Thanks
B3


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