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steve b 04-01-2008 08:18 PM

Ceiling fan wiring question
 
First post,,,,I just bought a Casablanca Stealth ceiling fan with "inteli-touch W-32 wall controller". This is a 4 button controller that takes the place of a switch in a wall box. Everything looks hunky-dory until I read the instructions which state that "no other light fixtures or appliances may be connected on the circuit controlled by the W-32 wall control." Well, the switch that the wall control is replacing is a 3-way that also controls 3 other fixtures. Is this really a problem? I understand basic electrical stuff but am not sure I understand why there shouldn't be other stuff on the circuit. I'm assuming that there is a wireless control going on as there's only 2 wires plus safety ground going to the fan. I'm also rather dis-inclined to rip out all the plaster in order to re-wire the living room/kitchen. Any help out there? Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,

220/221 04-01-2008 11:58 PM

The switch is designed to control the fan and light fixture only. Additioal lights fed from the fan/light may cause problems.

If I am reading this right, you have (2) 3 way switches controlling 3 and the fan?

Probably won't work unless the switck leg goes to the fan first and you do some creative wiring from the fan backfeeding the other lights.

jcalvin 04-02-2008 06:09 AM

More than likely, you will have to leave the switch on to control the fan with the remote. Problem is, the remote only controls the fan and the other lights will stay on all the time. You can always remove the remote control reciever out of the fan and get rid of it. I installed several where the HO didn't care about the remote, it was the only way they could buy the fan.

hms 04-02-2008 07:27 AM

need better info. Do you have 2 power legs into the ceiling fan box? Are you saying that the ceiling fan only works when the 3 lights are on? If you have a seperate leg for the ceiling fan, then you would just hook the light and the fan together on the one leg and let the remote control everything. If you have to have the lights on to run the ceiling fan, then you need to do some rewiring anyway.

steve b 04-02-2008 10:34 AM

additional info
 
Yup, I will have 3 fixtures plus the fan on 2 3 way switches.
There is only one power leg (red) plus of course the white neutral going to the ceiling box.
There is no remote control and I don't feel a need for one.
I haven't hung the fan yet as I thought I'd get some input first. I realize that if it works at all I'll have to have the lights on in order to use the fan. This is frustrating but the way the house is wired I'm not sure I see a way around it.
Another weirdness, the switches don't seem to behave like true 3 ways. One switch, I'll call it switch A, has to be one for the lights to come on. The other, switch B, can turn the lights off but cannot turn them on unless switch A is on. Both switches have a red, a black and the white connected to them. Maybe this just confuses things. Maybe I should hire a real electrician to sort this out.

jbfan 04-02-2008 11:18 AM

Your 3 way switches are wired incorrectly.
Have you taken down the light you want to replace the fan with?
I bet it is a rats nest of wires.

steve b 04-02-2008 11:28 AM

I figured it was probably wired wrong. I have taken down the old fan/light and its not bad in there. Just a red and a white.
Think my new fan will work?

jbfan 04-02-2008 11:38 AM

Your fan will work just like the last one you took down, however it will not work with thw controller, unless you remove the other lights.

Stubbie 04-02-2008 12:02 PM

Hello Steve

As JBfan said your switches appear to be wired wrong. Until you get that figured out and the 3 ways working properly I really don't see how anything will change. And with the w-32 control you cannot have any other lights on the control side of the switch. My suggestion would be to give us a detailed description of the wiring in each switch box. You have said a red,white and black connected to each three way switch.

Tell us what colored wires are connected to the common screw (dark colored one) terminals of each switch and what colored wires are connected to the other two screws of the 3-ways. Also which switch has the power coming into it? Only a red and white entering the ceiling box is odd unless you have conduit instead of nm-b (romex) cables or there is a junction box somewhere.

I don't think you should install the fan to you get the existing wiring operating correctly and then you are going to have to get the other lights off the control of the w-32.

220/221 04-02-2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Maybe I should hire a real electrician to sort this out.
Always a good idea :thumbup:

If you took apart all the fixtures and switch boxes, took pics and described in detail what you have, we could probably guide you thru your options in a few hours. An elctrician could do it in an hour.

steve b 04-02-2008 12:57 PM

A fellow has to know his limitations. This is a funky old house and I'm not surprised that the wiring is weird.
I'm going to hire a pro who can sort this out for me. Its an expensive fan and I don't want to be stuck with a non returnable item that doesn't work. Also I'd like to be able to use the thing in a convenient way.
Thanks for all your input but I'm going to drop back and punt. Cheers and thanks again.


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