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Old 02-19-2012, 06:44 PM   #1
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I am about to replace an old ceiling fan with a new one. I removed the old ceiling fan and found that there are only two wires coming from the electrical box: one single red and one single white. According to most instructions there should be a black, white and green wire...hence I am scratching my head. Can anyone help me out?

Just so you know the old ceiling fan power was controlled by a switch on the wall. The fan also had a chain for the fan and a chain for the light. Not sure if that information was needed.

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Could you post a picture of what it looks like in the box? Is there a bare copper wire inside the box secured with a screw? Most likely your red wire is the hot but would be best to test with a meter to see what you have?

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Here is the picture. There was no bare wire.
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I kinda wonder if that wire leads to knob and tube wiring. I will wait for someone else to answer this question.
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Yes, red is 'hot', white is neutral.
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And yeah, as an aside, if this box is any indication of your house wiring, it is very old and doesn't look to contain any bonding conductors. How old is your house?
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Late 60's. Recommendation on what I should do?
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1860's? The way that the hot and neutral are attached under seperate parts of the hold down make it look like knob and tube. However the insulation on your wire is clearly plastic. Anyways don't overthink this. Red to your fan(probably black wire from fan motor) and you will also have a blue wire for your light kit. Also attach this to your red wire in the box. Whites to white. Also is your box rated for a ceiling fan?
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I'm am not sure if the box is rated for a ceiling fan.
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If it is truly knob and tube and there is no ground, I would seriously recommend you bring in an electrician just to check the wiring for signs of deterioration and damage. He may recommend replacement of exposed conductors showing evidence of mechanichal abuse or deterioration, poor connections, overheating, alterations that might result in overloading. He may recommend a new panel, or he may recommend a re-wire which would include a proper grounding system. (Other possibities could include the installation of gfi receptacles or gfi breakers)

Check your basement to see if you can see any exposed wires, which would give you an indiciation as to how your house is wired.
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Thank you for the responses. I had an electrician repace the panel (from 60 amps to 100 amps). I'm pretty sure I have/had knob and tube.

Would it be dangerous just to install this ceiling fan without changing anything? There was a ceiling fan up there for years and years...
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Thank you for the responses. I had an electrician repace the panel (from 60 amps to 100 amps). I'm pretty sure I have/had knob and tube.

Would it be dangerous just to install this ceiling fan without changing anything? There was a ceiling fan up there for years and years...
Well, technically yes, it could be unsafe if the metal parts IF your fan becomes accidentally charged with electricity because of a short. But in your case, I would just install the fan as is; it will work properly, it just won't be protected by a bonding wire.

Just curious: I hope the electrician doing your service upgrade at least installed a proper grounding at the service entrance.
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actually that rings a bell. I think he did. Replaced a box on the outside of my house along with a gounding out there (or something like that). Sorry for my lack of knowledge on this topic...
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Thank you for the responses. I had an electrician repace the panel (from 60 amps to 100 amps). I'm pretty sure I have/had knob and tube.

Would it be dangerous just to install this ceiling fan without changing anything? There was a ceiling fan up there for years and years...
Hey guy....just so this thread doesn't take a wrong turn, is your house late 1960's or 1860's.
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LOL. 1960s.

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