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Old 03-05-2013, 11:59 PM   #1
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Installed a ceiling fan in 2 of the rooms at my mom's with no problem. However, the last one had a rafter running center of the room, so I had to move the mount over to the next section leaving the electrical short.

I picked up the Romex, Junction box and wired it up, but I am unsure about this being the most practical and safe way to go about it. I included some pictures of the job and was hoping for some feedback. Also, the house is older with no ground.


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Pictures did not come out.
You should have installed a juntion box that is assesable with a cover and a another piece of wire. And splices have to be in an enclosure.

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...so I had to move the mount over to the next section leaving the electrical short.
Looks fine from here.

You added a single gang box, made up your "extension" there and ran it to the new box for the fan. Good to go. No extra points are given for pretty.
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Pictures should be showing now. It was on the other side of the rafter, so I went over and stapled it with the existing staple.
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Should have drilled a hole and gone through the rafter to be legal, that way no one can step on it.
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I'm thinking of going back up in the attic and drilling through, I think it will look more cleaner and not be a big hoop over the rafter. Also, will sleep better at night making sure I did it right on my Mom's place.
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No extra points are given for pretty.
Points deducted for too much sheathing in the jbox, if that is a jbox; I assume there's a cover for it?

As far as drilling holes ("to be legal") where's the code there? If it's not within, I believe, 4' of attic entrance (area served by storage), isn't ok to run across the beams?
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I'm thinking of going back up in the attic and drilling through, I think it will look more cleaner and not be a big hoop over the rafter. Also, will sleep better at night making sure I did it right on my Mom's place.
And strip back the sheathing to about 1/4" inside that blue box; you'll be able to make better connections, and will be easier to work on in the future.
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I'm thinking of going back up in the attic and drilling through, I think it will look more cleaner and not be a big hoop over the rafter. Also, will sleep better at night making sure I did it right on my Mom's place.
If that is an engineered truss, drilling it would likely be a violation due to the structural integrity being compromised.
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Ok, an NEC citation is needed here, please?

Is there a code violation in running cable across the beams in an attic, and please cite the article.

I am believing that any space outside of a 4'-6' area of the access hole is NOT a code violation. If it's within this area, then storage is an issue, and it would be a violation.

I have no citations to back up my beliefs; they come from my experience with Journeymen and Masters.
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Ok, an NEC citation is needed here, please?

Is there a code violation in running cable across the beams in an attic, and please cite the article.

I am believing that any space outside of a 4'-6' area of the access hole is NOT a code violation. If it's within this area, then storage is an issue, and it would be a violation.

I have no citations to back up my beliefs; they come from my experience with Journeymen and Masters.
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“A) Cables Run Across the Top of Floor Joists. Where run across the top of floor joists, or within 2.1 m (7 ft) of the floor or floor joists across the face of rafters or studding, the cable shall be protected by substantial guard strips that are at least as high as the cable. Where this space is not accessible by permanent stairs or ladders, protection shall only be required within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the nearest edge of the scuttle hole or attic entrance.”
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Technically the install is non compliant. You are not allowed to extend an ungrounded circuit.
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However, the last one had a rafter running center of the room, so I had to move the mount over to the next section leaving the electrical short.
You could of used one of the saddle boxes to mount onto the joist.
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Like RJ said, the biggest problem is the extension of an ungrounded circuit.
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“A) Cables Run Across the Top of Floor Joists. Where run across the top of floor joists, or within 2.1 m (7 ft) of the floor or floor joists across the face of rafters or studding, the cable shall be protected by substantial guard strips that are at least as high as the cable. Where this space is not accessible by permanent stairs or ladders, protection shall only be required within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the nearest edge of the scuttle hole or attic entrance.”
Ah yes, thank you.

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